Future Australian SSNs entering service must be coordinated with Collins SSKs leaving.
Anonymous on of February
19, 2022, has well argued:
I have been looking at the question of time to construct SSNs, cost and what program must be achieved to minimise the time Collins Class subs must remain in service. This is particularly critical to avoid capability gaps for the RAN. For this purpose I am assuming it is undesirable to keep any Collins SSK in service longer than 40 years from commissioning, even after life extension.
One of the problems in replacement the RAN faces is that the six Collins Class SSKs were built quickly, with a one year "drumbeat" starting in 1990, and an average construction time of 7 years. This means, if we adopt the "40 year rule" that they all need replacement between 2036 (HMAS Collins) and 2043 (HMAS Rankin). Note that in 1995, the ASC shipyard, Adelaide, had the fully or partially completed hulls of all six Collins Class subs present at the one time.
From the little we know about the defunct Attack Class SSK construction program from the ANAO Audit, the intent was to start construction in 2023, with a 2 year "drumbeat" and delivery starting from 2023. With the delays that occurred, the best that could have occurred now was a 2025 start, with delivery commencing from 2035 onwards. This meant the critical 6th Attack SSK, which would replace the last Collins SSK (Rankin) would commission in 2045, when Rankin would be 42 years old. The worst case would be HMAS Sheean, which would not be replaced until 2043, when Sheean would be 43 years old. This ignores any yard capacity constraints, and assumes up to 5 Attack Class hulls could be present in ASC simultaneously.
So had we continued with the Attack Class at the leisurely pace proposed, we would have faced a capability gap risk anyway. This was because we were replacing an SSK class built at a one year drumbeat, with an SSK class to be built at a 2 year drumbeat.
Can we do better? I think
the answer is yes. The key is the drumbeat. I have constructed a schedule that
assumes the following:
- ASC would build an
"AUStute" [Pete comment: Have used "AUStute" rather than "Austute" so it doesn't look like a typo of "Astute".] modified Astute Class SSN, with S9G reactor fitted
- ASC would need to be
upgraded to a nuclear engineering standard, taking 3 years to 2025.
- The first AUStute would
be laid down in 2026, take 8 years to launch (same as BAE Astute #1)
- AUStutes would be built
in batches of 3, with a one year drumbeat between each, but then a gap till the
previous boat was launched, assuming ASC can only fit 3 boats at a time,
similar to Barrow shipyard in the UK.
- This would give AUStute commission dates of 2034, 3035, 2036, 2041, 2042, 2043, 2047, 2048, and 2049.
- Note that the first batch are assumed to take 8 years each, 7 years for the second, 6 years for the third. This is the same as Electric Boat achieved on Virginia construction, using modular techniques. The same approach should be used for the "AUStutes".
The result is the
critical 6th AUStute enters commission in 2043, allowing retirement of Rankin
at age 41.
Two other points to note:
1. if we did build RAN
SSNs in sequential batches of 3, I see no reason not to build 9 instead of 8.
The extra cost and build time would be small once the process is set up.
2. Assuming the AUStute build went from 2026 to 2049, by the time some extra years were added for mid life upgrades of the nine AUStutes, it would be time to start building the next class, nominally in 2056. Hence a continuous build would be achieved.
I have estimated the
total program cost in $2022 and outturn $ assuming:
- AUStute cost is BAE
Astute cost, converted to Au$, inflated by 1.3 for Australian shipbuilding cost
premium (Rand report of 2015), S9G reactor cost added,
- $30 million per annum
extra (each) for ANSTO and ARPANSA,
- $558 million of design
costs,
- $2.4 billion for ASC upgrade, and $2 billion each for Fleet Base West (2025-2027) and Fleet Base East (2033-2035) upgrades.
The end result is a 2022 cost for nine Australian built Astutes with S9G reactors of $54.6 billion, and an outturn cost of $78.8 billion. This is only Capital Expenditure and regulatory cost, not Operational Expenditure. Also it assumes no differential extra cost to go from the Astute combat system to the US combat system. If that is more, add another $9 billion.
I know this is only
speculation, but all is based on public sources. To me, the most critical thing
to avoid capability gaps is to start upgrading Fleet Base West and ASC to a nuclear
engineering standard ASAP. Sorry for the long post. Not sure how to send you
the cost spreadsheet.
Pete Comment
For commercial, legal and political reasons US and UK corporations and governments are unlikely to accept the concept of a UK designed SSN using a US reactor labeled "S9G".
This is why a UK reactor
labeled "PWR3", with mixed US S9G and UK Rolls Royce characteristics, seems acceptable.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_PWR#PWR3
"PWR3 was a new system "based on a US design but using UK reactor technology". The Royal Institution of Naval Architects reported that it was likely that the UK was given access to the US Navy S9G reactor design used in their Virginia-class submarines."
As with a larger version PRW2 going into Vanguards and smaller PWR2 version into Astutes, I suspect a larger version PWR3 is going into the Dreadnoughts and smaller version PWR3 into the SSN(Rs) aka SSNRs.
12 comments:
It’s probably incorrect to assume that the Collins class will have a maximum hull life of 40 years. The 2 year Life Of Type Extension (LOTE) that is planned, will allow 10 more years of operation after the LOTE has been completed. This means that the first vessel to be upgraded, HMAS Farncomb, will complete its LOTE in 2028 and retire in 2038 (aged 40 years). The other boats will follow at 2 year intervals with HMAS Sheehan retiring in 2046 & HMAS Rankin retiring in 2048 - both 45 years of age.
Some more detail of the LOTE schedule can be seen here: https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/642689-aukus-37.html
Hi Anonymous your Feb 22, 2022, 4:26:00 PM comment]
Those LOTE timelines from "Going Boeing's [Is that you?] pprune.org post of 27th Nov 2021, 11:17 at the AUKUS discussion at https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/642689-aukus-37.html
looks detailed and interesting.
Also interesting is the same pprune.org post's details on the Virginia Blocks VIs and VIIs, Astutes and PWRs, etc
Can I reproduce Going Boeing's sage words on Submarine Matters?
Pete
Pete
If the UK Successor SSNR design is adopted with RR PRW3 reactor then the cost will be higher by up to $one billion Au per SSN. This would push the SSN construction program cost up to $87 billion Au in outturn dollars, quite similar to ASPIs estimate.
The conclusions on the need for a one year drumbeat and batched approach to match the Collins Class retirement dates remain the same.
It becomes clear when you look at all the preparatory work the first SSN you build costs a lot - in excess of $10 billion Au. The marginal cost of one extra SSN is much less, perhaps $5 billion plus crewing.
Hi Pete
A 2 year drumbeat is also linked to the need to have complete overhaul after 8 to 10 years , lasting 24 months,and needed for SSK or SSN,in order to avoid a capacity gap where all the subs are not operational at the same time. This allow also to better utilize the yard facility but more important to maintain critical skills and avoid the stop and go
this a "peace/calm" period concept. Moving to shorter drumbeat implies another yard and the skills that go with it, which might be needed if things go the way we discover now
Hi Pete
An added commentary about the 2 years long overhaul every 8 to 12 years
This is the result of the large number of dramatic subs accidents in the late 60 (US, Russia, France , Israel ect..)
Sub built in the 1950 (Russia, US, UK , Fr..)were essentially copies/developments of the German Type XXI from 1944/1945, the first modern sub designed to stay underwater. Before that, the subs were smaller (Type VIIC for example at 800 T with a gun on the deck)and dived before attacking
Although large numbers of subs were built , no maintenance experience was built..
(Over WW2,close to 95 % of the German U Boot crew went MIA and the median operational life expectation of the German subs was about 2/3 months... The type XXI came too late and in very small number .. )
Since the 1970/1980 and the preventive maintenance schedule no similar accidents occurence was observed in developped western navies
Hi Anonymous [at Feb 22, 2022, 11:27:00 PM]
The PWR3 costs for the UK SSNR's don't stand in isolation.
UK PWR evolution remains expensive and (presumably) costed. I assume production of new PWR2s has ended awaiting PWR2 installation on the last Astutes.
The 4 Dreadnought SSBNs will bear part of the initial high development costs of the PWR3s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_PWR#PWR3 .
PWR3 development has been going on since 2011 (if not earlier). This is noting the development/production of the Dreadnoughts already begun in 2016 with final one commissioned (maybe) in 2040.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadnought-class_submarine#Boats_of_the_class
Production costs for the "AUStutes" is never going to be cheap. Retraining the vast Australian supply chain labour (not just in ASC) up to nuclear submarine standards will be an additional major cost component.
Cheers Pete
Hi Anonymous [Feb 22, 2022, 11:28:00 PM]
Yes Germany, with its Type 212As, not so long ago, suffered a complete submarine unavailability.
Indeed, its going to be difficult to maintain Adelaide shipyard fitouts, procedures and skills for an Australian sub workforce producing SSNs (cutting steel from 2030?)
while also maintaining Collins subs well into the 2040s.
China may not permit that no-pressure "peace/calm" period.
Industrial efficiency might suggest Perth (or even Melbourne under an ALP Federal Government) will need to do much of the sub deep maintenance or even build.
Adelaide as the Sacred Submarine Cow, be default, may no longer be Sustainable.
Regards Pete
Hi Anonymous [at Feb 23, 2022, 12:18:00 AM]
Yes, Nazi subs suffered such operational attrition that a German deep maintenance schedule after 8-10 years was largely irrelevant in WWII.
True. There used to be many submarine accidents. And old submarines are still sinking:
- ARA San Juan, 34 years old https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_San_Juan_(S-42)
and
- KRI Nanggala, 40 yars old https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KRI_Nanggala_(402)
Lest we forget.
NEAR MISS
Even in Australia's "developed western" navy at least one near catastrophic defect on HMAS Collins was experienced in 1996. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Collins_(SSG_73)#Trials
"Collins performed her first deep dive on 19 January 1996 without any problems.[29] However, during a later deep dive trial, the propeller shaft seal began to leak excessively.[30] Although designed to leak at 10 litres (2.2 imp gal; 2.6 US gal) an hour, the seal had previously shown itself to be faulty, with an hourly leak rate in the hundreds of litres.[30]
On this occasion, the water pressure meant the flow rate was significantly greater, to the point where the aft bilge pump was barely keeping up.[30] When the senior engineer entered the compartment, he found personnel trying to stem the flow, including one sailor who was underneath the shaft, attempting to tighten the seal manually.[30]
The engineer instructed the commander to take the submarine to the surface as quickly as possible, but keep the boat level—had the engineer instead informed the commander that the submarine was flooding, Collins would have blown all ballast and driven for the surface at a steep angle,
likely drowning the sailor under the shaft.[30]
Collins reached the surface without further incident.[30] Modified seals were fitted to all submarines to bring the leak back to the accepted rate.[30] It was later calculated that the submarine was taking on water at over 1,000 litres (220 imp gal; 260 US gal) a minute.[30]"
Hi Pete
Very good example
When one talks about "old hull fatigue"it is incorrect. Nearly all accidents occurs due to internal leaks in piping , gaskets , seals , torpedo tubes,snorkel connection ..ect
The hull implosion is a consequence at 800m+ depth
In a sub at 200 m depth, the sea water entering to cool , flush whatever..ect is at a pressure around 200 MegaPascal/300 Psi and cycling with the dive modes ..Conversely in the case of the hull, the point stress loading area are known and could be inspected to detect cracks,fairly easyly from the outside via US imaging for instance..
Meticulous preventive maintenance of thousands of parts at fixed frequencies is essential
Just to be clear on my costing assumptions here, in calculating the cost of an AUStute SSN, I have included the RAN repaying the complete contract value of the RN contracts for the design to be develooped by BAE and Rolls Royce ($550 million Au).
9 AUStutes would still be cheaper than 8 Virginia Block IVs, let alone Block V or later Virginias.
Hi Anonymous [at Feb 24, 2022, 1:24:00 AM]
Indeed many submarine components (in addition to the pressure hull) can be defectively designed or wear out, unreplaced, unmaintained.
As in the HMAS Collins example (above) thorough training and experience, resulting in correct decisions, can save a life or save the whole boat.
Pete
Hi Anonymous [at Feb 24, 2022, 10:32:00 AM]
I admit, I'm not getting hung up on detailed AUS SSN costs.
Too many variables will change or be unrecognised over the next 16 years until the first SSN is delivered to Australia in "2038" (and the first SSN maybe not even built here).
Profit margins for the US and/or UK for first SSNs to a foreign customer EVER (ie. Australia) are totally unpredictable. Commercial andd politically influenced profit calculations.
Costs of nuclear training for 1,000s of Australians, from scratch, unpredictable.
As is the impact of inflation including Higher Wages by 2038 or into the 2050s when the last "AUStute" or US designed might be commissioned.
Cost of spare parts and not yet developed "hypersonic missile" ammunition unpredictable.
One could go on and on, concerning unpredictable cost variables.
Pete
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