March 7, 2024

“White Western” Shipbuilding Problems

In response to French Anonymous' second comment and Anonymous’ comment on February 25, 2024 (on what I call the “white Western” world nuclear submarine welder shortage) I have written the following:

In general the end of the (first) Cold War “peace dividend“ 1988-2001 led to a reduction in Russian and “white Western” European, US, UK and Australian naval ship building. This was in the framework of lower naval defence spending in Russia and the "white" West overall

Dual-use electronic industries, including those relevant to submarines, continued to expand. This was even during War on Terror (WoT) (“9/11” 2001 to the West's Afghan collapse of 2021) in part because counter-terrorism infantry ops using aerial drones were packed with new electronics.

Perhaps most effected from 1988 and much of the WoT was Russian and “white Western” high precision welding training and work that is essential for submarine pressure hulls and reactors. Submarine funding reductions led to far fewer SSN launches as well as early retirements of SSNs - see SSNs laid up. All this meant a sharp downturn in submarine and reactor welder training even in the US.

In the 1990s the a “white Western” ideology grew of downsized government technical training and instead a tendency to hire private sector supplier/contractors. Governments relied on buying labour “top dollar” to sustain a semi-employed, limited contract, labour market. 

In contrast Northeast Asian naval shipbuilding was far less impacted by the peace dividend as there was (and is) a continuous build submarine arms race between China and North Korea (NK) versus Japan, South Korea (SK) and now Taiwan. Large scale building of naval and civilian surface ships also kept welders continuously employed in Northeast Asia. These countries trained welders at a higher tempo with very long contracts, even jobs for life. 

Many Russian nuclear weapon, missile, and submarine engineers, unemployed in the 1990s, found work in NK. This sharply accelerated NK's progress in all three fields during the 2000s. 

In “white Western” batch building, temporary contracts with considerable downtime, can lead to loss of welding skills. The UK and France in particular saw long multi-year gaps between the end of their SSBN building projects and full resumption of their new SSN (Astute and Barracuda) building phases. Corporate memory in nuclear construction skills was lost.

All this is impacting the tempo of current SSN and SSBN construction in the UK, France and US. France is trying to improve nuclear welder availability with HEFAÏS’ https://hefais.fr/  . HEFAÏS’ is a high-level industrial school “whose ambition is to train the best welders in France for the nuclear and naval sectors.” This is to meet the nuclear naval (submarines and the Charles de Gaulle carrier replacement) and civilian nuclear welder shortages in France.

Australia launched its last submarine (an SSK) in 2001. So it will be more than 4 decades when Australia will attempt to start much larger, more complex and unforgiving SSN-AUKUS’ construction from around 2045.

Also in Australia many of the best technicians and engineers are working where there is more money and (even better) constant work in the non-batch building, non-shipbuilding electronics sectors in Australia and overseas. Young welders might prefer not to chance their careers in Australia as surface shipbuilding continuity here is a highly political, uncertain, and occurs in just 2 relatively isolated states of Australia. Those states are South Australia (with an economy totally dependent on federal shipbuilding) and Western Australia (WA) (which demands reinvestment of the massive amounts of GST WA's mining/energy industry contributes to Australia's Federal Government. 

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

When you write that France and Russia have increased their SSBN operation tempo, where did you find this information?

Pete2 said...

Hi Anonymous at 3/01/2024 8:21 PM

Information that France and Russia have increased their SSBN operational tempo came offline from a French source. Identity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_to_know

This is noting US and Australian security services monitor my online activities - onscreen window feedback...

Regards Pete

Pete2 said...

PS. Anonymous at 3/01/2024 8:21 PM

My sitemetre has clocked an extraordinary "660 returning visits" from a node very close to DGSI HQ's location in Paris.

Therefore DGSI's SigInt associates are more than qualified to interrogate, or have
interrogated, my computer email records to find the French source.

Cheers Pete

Pete2 said...

PPS. Info sent to me was later publicised. See

"France and the Ukraine 2022 Crisis: France Sends 2nd SSBN to Sea"

of March 11, 2022

at https://sldinfo.com/2022/03/france-and-the-ukraine-2022-crisis-france-sends-2nd-ssbn-to-sea/

[post Feb 2022 invasion of Ukraine, with Putin's increasing threats of a possible Russian nuclear response leading to an increase in threat level]

"The [French] officer declined to confirm Le Telegramme, a regional paper, which reported March 1 a second French nuclear ballistic missile submarine has been ordered to take to sea.

“No comment. You have to call the other side of the Seine,” the officer said, referring to the president’s Elysée office.

This was the first sailing of two French nuclear missile boats since 1981, sparked by the Euromissile crisis, afternoon daily Le Monde reported. There is usually one nuclear ballistic missile submarine at sea."

Anonymous said...

For info the second Suffren class(Barracuda ) nuclear sub , the Dugay Trouin is in Martinique (Fr Caribbean island)since March 3, sailing from Toulon.She is testing/qualifying all its military capabilities and weapon systems (tropical to artic seawater in particular)

The third , the Tourville SSN, was launched last summer and will be commissionned this year.
The last 3 units of the class are in various states of construction in Naval Gr. Cherbourg yard
The 4 th unit ,the de Grasse SSN, is due for laubnch this summer

https://x.com/MarineNationale/status/1764333989005762679?s=20

Pete2 said...

Hi Anonymous (probably from France) at 3/05/2024 8:33 AM

Thanks for the Barracuda-Suffren class SSN update

I see the final (6th of class) Casabianca might be fully operational in 2031 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barracuda-class_submarine_(France)#Boats

Is there any likelihood a 7th and 8th Suffren-class will be completed in the 2030s or is France planning to build the four 3G SSBNs (SNLE 3G) before that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNLE_3G

Regards Pete