October 25, 2019

South Korea Looking At France's Barracuda SSN or Just the K15 Reactor

In Submarine Matters’ “South Korea seeks Submarine Reactors from US and RUSSIA” of October 22, 2019 South Korea may have concluded it is better to buy an existing submarine reactor, designs or at least a ship reactor than totally reinvent a submarine reactor. 

Since 2017 (if not earlier) South Korea has been considering France’s new Barracuda SSN with its K15 (aka K 15 aka K-15) reactor. With North Korea's buildup of nuclear weapon and missile capabilities South Korea, in October 2019, has been testing any increased US willingness for South Korea to explore nuclear propulsion options. 

"In October 2017, the [South Korean] Navy commissioned the Seoul-based Korea Defense Network to conduct a five month study on the feasibility of developing an indigenous nuclear-powered attack submarine. The think tank reported in March 2018 the results to the Navy, suggesting the service build a nuclear attack submarine along the lines of the French 5,300-ton Barracuda-class sub. The French sub is fueled by low-enriched uranium."

It is conceivable that France may want to sell a complete French built Barracuda to South Korea, supply just the Barracuda’s K15 reactor or transfer technology (including a reactor design) for South Korea to incorporate in its 4,000+ tonne KSS III Batch III building program. Thus KSS III Batch III would become the nuclear propelled KSSN or KSSX-N.


The Barracuda’s K15 reactor has the:

-  political/regulatory advantage of using LEU ie. less than 20% U-235 which South Korea sees as not being restricted by the NPT or nuclear Safeguards Agreements. This is compared to the political sensitivities and anti-proliferation regulatory restrictions placed on exporting/importing US and UK submarine reactors (with weapons’ grade HEU of 93-97 percent (see p. 20)) and Russian naval reactors (reported to use 20 to over 90 percent HEU (p. 20)). 

-  and technical advantage of the Barracuda's reactor being built for a submarine of just over 5,000 tons, ie. in the KSS III Bach III weight bracket. The Barracuda's K15 reactor stands for 150 MWt which translates to 30 MWe for Barracuda’s hotel load + propulsion.

It is significant that France, for over a decade, has been assisting Brazil in designing the non-nuclear aspects of Brazil’s future SN-BR SSN (to be called Álvaro lberto)At Submarine Matter’s 2015 article see the subheading "Brazilian Nuclear Submarine (SN-BR)” There currently appears to be expectations that SN-BR will be around 100m long and 9m wide. This coincides with France's Barracuda SSN dimensions of: 99.5m long and beam: 8.8m.” Such non-nuclear assistance could be extended to South Korea and perhaps with a more quiet transfer of some K15 technology.

In terms of vertically launched cruise or ballistic missiles the KSS Batch I features 6 VLS tubes, each with one missile. The KSS III Batch II may feature 10 and the KSS III Batch III perhaps 12 to 16. If  the KSS III Batch III were nuclear propelled and had 12 to 16 VLS tubes this would amount to a middle naval power mini-SSN/SSBN solution. This would avoid the much higher great power expense of building separate specialised SSN and SSBN classes.

Neighbouring Japan (a part strategic competitor of South Korea) and Australia with its future conventional Barracuda (known as the Attack-class) are closely observing South Korea's interest in nuclear propulsion and ever larger submarines.

India, already having SSBNs, is interested in building 6 SSNs with specialised SSN reactors. India is naturally talking to France's Naval Group. Naval Group is helping India build the 6 Kalvari-class Scorpenes, bidding for India's 6 Project-75I SSK competition and Naval Group produces all of France's SSNs and SSBNs. So India can have far ranging discussions, on many topics, with Naval Group.

Pete

28 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hi Pete

Currently, United States Forces Korea (USFK) is in the verge of withdrawal from the Republic of Korea (South Korea=SK). The withdrawal of USFK will provide the withdrawal of Mutual Defense Treaty Between USA and SK. The special adviser of SK President, beta dog of Moon Jae-in administration, Moon Chung-in recently suggested after the withdrawal SK would have nuclear weapons [1]. Moon Jae-in, the President of SK and his party support NK. The conservatives support USA but are pro-China, and USA cannot expect full royalty from SK. Does USA still admit the technology transfer on nuclear propulsion from USA or the third county to SK?

[1] “South Korea could create economic union with DPRK like EU in 10 years”, TASS, Sept/08/2019, https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/6859007
"If the South Korean side has nuclear weapons, the need for alliance with the United States will disappear. Since the Republic of Korea does not have such weapons, [in the south of the Korean Peninsula] the great influence of the United States remains," the expert (Moon Jeong-Ying aka Moon Chung-in).

Regards

Pete said...

Thanks Anonymous

Certainly Trump has been Tweeting implied threats to withdraw US troops from SK if Trump wins the US 2020 Presidential Election. Trump wants SK's yearly support payments for US forces in SK to be increased to US$5 Billion, which SK rejects https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/If-Trump-wins-in-2020-he-will-pull-US-troops-out-of-South-Korea .

Russia, through its organ TASS (for example https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/6859007 ) is exploiting Trump's obnoxious tendency to threaten longstanding allies (eg. SK and in NATO) with US withdrawal if these allies do not spend more on defence.

Even Russia does not openly bully its allies in the way Trump's Tweets do. Meanwhile official comments of the US Departments of State and Defense are much more moderate and diplomatic than Trump's personal shoot-first-ask-questions-later "Foreign Policy" by Tweet.

Regards

Pete

Josh said...

@anonymous:

The US will return to its past politics as soon as Trump leaves office. Moreover, even were Trump to actually focus on the removal of US troops from the ROK for any significant amount of time, such a pullout would require years. The US will remain in the ROK unless explicitly asked to leave.

China would never allow a nuclear armed ROK. They would use every form of power short of overt invasion to prevent that. Nor would the US be the least bit supportive. It also would almost certainly cause Japan to stage a nuclear breakout as well, something that the US and most definitely China does not want. Again, two economic super powers would do pretty much anything to prevent it. It won't happen.

Cheers,
Josh

GhalibKabir said...

I agree with what Josh has said. Japan's hands will be forced if SK obtained SSNs and the unbelievable situation of nuclear tipped Hyunmoo-3 armed Korean SSNs started patrolling the Sea of Japan. China will not want things to go that south either. China likes to keep neighbors off balance but understands pushing too far will be counterproductive.

China will want to retain its ability to be an 'under the threshold nuisance' for as long as is possible. It has gamed the situation well and is executing to a well thought out plan. a spanner in the works will be very much against what it needs right now ---> a quiet, creeping acquiescence by all relevant nations to its second island chain strategy.
a regional ruckus will be the 'monkey's wrench' that the PLAN will not want for now.

number 45 has caused US influence and credibility to be dented considerably and the US might take a while under a new administration to 'regain' a modicum of its former credibility.

Pete said...

Hi GhalibKabir

Yes international relations experts and military strategists have long propounded the "tipping point theory". That is, any New nuclear weapon power in East Asia will figuratively tip nuclear water in a cascade to other regional countries water vessels, causing more countries to acquire nuclear weapons. Australia being a very southern "East Asian" country that could nuclearize (simple bombs first) in under a 2 year breakout period.

All the legal nuclear weapon powers "haves" (which de facto includes acceptance of India's weapons) will decline in relative nuclear weapons domination over the "have nots". Hence the US, Russia, China, France, UK and India don't want the have-nots to nuclearize.

North Korea being a case in point. China and the region don't want another, even small, nuclear weapon power.

Yes, China is gaming its way to successful regional dominance and "number 45" (Trump?) isn't helping.

Cheers

Pete

GhalibKabir said...

yes, number 45 is of course trump or as I like to call him, America's 'boofheaded boondoggle'.

Australia and Japan are what we call nations that are a 'proverbial screwdriver' away from full fledged N capability. a largish ballistic missile mounted basic fission bomb is certainly doable in 2 years time if Australia and Japan put their minds to it. (However, as things stand, a nitwitted ergodan's turkey, an angry iran or a spooked saudi arabia are more likely to acquire N capability if they are sufficiently unhappy with the status quo or incentivised otherwise. that would be real dangerous..)

The Chinese have rightly (and shrewdly) judged that the US has lost its scrotal fortitude as far as the pacific theater is concerned and their opinion of other SE Asian countries and Australia is not printable here (held in contemptuous disdain is an understatement, let us put it that way) (India is held in similar contempt currently, though very slowly and grudgingly it is being reassessed as India gradually operationalizes noticeable capabilities in the navy, air force and in space)

Anonymous said...

Hi Pete

US and ROK (Republic of Korea = South Korea) has agreed that Operational Control During Wartime of ROK-US Combined Forces Command will be transferred from US to ROK until May 2022,the tenue of the President Moon Jae-in. Until now, the US army has been commanded by other troops only when a small unit has become so special. Presumably, US is going to withdraw its troop from ROK.

Regards

Pete said...

Hi GhalibKabir [your October 30, 2019 at 7:14 PM]

I agree that next nuclear weapon powers are likely to be Iran versus Saudi Arabia [with Pakistani warheads - see my 2012 article https://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2012/08/saudi-ballistic-missiles-nuclear.html ].

And Iran sees nuclear armed Israel as a threat. Meanwhile "NATO's" Turkey (almost non-aligned and cooperating with the Russian...) may see important building an independent nuclear deterrent given all the other nuclear haves and almost haves in its region.

Meanwhile Japan has all the nuclear weapon precursor ingredients (Epsilon rockets, Plutonium and high tech nuclear know-how) to assemble deliverable nuclear weapons in a 2 year time frame. Australia from a lower technology and explosive base.

The US, despite Trump's wrecking, still has sizable assets/bases with a Asia-Pacific mission including: Hawaii, Guam, Japan-Okinawa, SK, Singapore (port) and Marines in Darwin.

Meanwhile India is a stonethrow away of being accepted as a defacto legal nuclear weapons power https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/india-and-multilateralism-the-global-nuclear-order-54573/

Regards

Pete

Pete said...

Hi Anonymous [your October 30, 2019 at 9:30 PM]

Thanks for the information on the US - South Korea Operational Control During Wartime Combined Forces Command arrangements.

Seems Trump wants to shift greater responsibily (and with it, cost) to South Korea as SOME US troops are withdrawn.

However US army/marine assets can easily be flown/shipped in to reinforce SK in times of tension. And US missiles, aircraft, warships and submarines could re-enter against North Korea in minutes-days.

Regards

Pete

GhalibKabir said...

Barring China, India faces no legal hurdle to enter the NSG, it is already a defacto member. Where it is at a bit of a disadvantage, is the inability to do a China and build large enrichment plants by requesting AREVA or the Russians like the Chinese have done. That is however not a fatal drawback as this has allowed India to develop a good ENR ecosystem within the country to enrich Uranium and Reprocess Plutonium besides gaining knowledge to build upto 700 MWe size reactor pressure vessels. All of this is critical knowledge and in that sense China has done India a backhanded sort of favour by trying to prolong the nuclear apartheid system.

(funny, considering China is an arch proliferator with a proven track record of having trafficked dozens of kilos of > 90% enriched WGU to pakistan and leaked a complete weapons design & is now, sitting smugly in the NSG and lecturing India on nuclear probity)

PS: the pakistanis must be the most ungrateful client state as their strategic weapons division head (retired) published a tell all book called 'eating grass' and proudly yapped about China giving WGU. I am sure Beijing was not amused... LoL...

PPS: the US has sizeable assets in the Western Pacific..no doubt, but to use game theory simulation, will it walk the talk at crunch time? China thinks (and I think they are right), the US security dog will bark but won't bite. 5 more years of boofhead trump and China will be even more well prepared to confront the US if push comes to shove...

Anonymous said...

There are two urgent and serious issues between USA and South Korea (SK): i) withdrawal of GSOMIA (General Security of Military Information Agreement) between Japan and SK, and ii) conclusion of SMA (Special Measures Agreement) by USA and SK.

(GSOMIA)
Japan strengthened the trade management of export to SK because of illegal trade, and SK decided withdrawal of GISOMIA as countermeasure despite strong opposition USA. Moon Jae-in originally withdraw GSOMIA as shown in his presidential election [1]. As China and North Korea (NK) strongly demand the withdrawal of GSOMIA and SK will willingly withdraw GSOMIA. Japan will not loosen the trade management which will be good excuse of the withdrawal of GSOMIA by SK.

(SMA)
USA ask $5 billion annually for SK, and SK strongly disagrees. US does not withdraw request, because she found SK had enough money. SK is going to start huge investment for development of semiconductor materials and to prepare huge defense budget including development of nuclear submarine and carrier.

Discussion on issues of GSOMIA and SMA by USA and SK not only affects alliance between USA and SK, but it mighte catalyze economic damage of SK at worst.

Financial system of SK is vulnerable and its budget directly depends on foreign loan. As a result of failure of economic policy, high dependency on trade with China and increasing population ageing, SK suffers from deflation. If market realize withdrawal of alliance between USA and SK, it might trigger capital flight from SK. USA, Japan and IMF will not help SK, and China cannot help SK because of damage by USA-China trade war.


[1]https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ja&sl=ko&tl=ja&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ohmynews.com%2FNWS_Web%2FView%2Fat_pg.aspx%3FCNTN_CD%3DA0002317499&anno=2&sandbox=1
In addition, it was confirmed that the Democratic Party did not include the approval of the THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) deployment parliament and review of the effectiveness of the ROK-Japan military information protection agreement in Moon's 10 pledges (for the presidential election for Moon Jae-in).
A spokesman for the Democratic Party's predecessor, Hong Ik-pyo, said in a conversation with the reporter, "There was a final policy coordination meeting (after the 14th press conference) and it (withdrawal of GSOMIA) was missing in the process." Please understand that it was pushed from."

Pete said...

Hi GhalibKabir [at November 1, 2019 at 3:17 PM]

US support (going pack to the George W. Bush Administration) for India's defacto legal nuclear weapon status, appears to have been greater than China's or Pakistan's opposition

India's being forced too develop its own ENR (enrichment nuclear reactor?) processes reduces reliance on technology transfer from other nuclearr weapon states. Within the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indira_Gandhi_Centre_for_Atomic_Research or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhabha_Atomic_Research_Centre

After all nuclear weapon countries ultimately see such armaments as an essentially indepedent last resort. The only lasting exception beeing the UK's relaince on US SSBN component inventions (eg reactors) and the US developed Trident missile system.

So China trafficked kilos of Weapons Grade Uranium (WGU) of > 90% to Pakistan. And this didn't make China a nuclear outcast?

And then Pakistan received Saudi founding for Pakistan's nuclear weapon program in return for the promise of Pakistani nuclear warheads on the Saudi's Chinese supplied missiles in time of a buildup to a Saudi-Iran or Saudi-Israel conflict!? https://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2012/08/saudi-ballistic-missiles-nuclear.html

Actually US protests being louder than US actions has been demonstrated elsewhere - with the US not taking military action against Iran this year when Iranian UAV are belived to have damage tankers in the Perrsian Gulf. Also when alleged Iranian missiles and/or UAVs hit a Saudi oil refinery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Abqaiq%E2%80%93Khurais_attack

China in East Asia (to take on US forces) is much more powerful than Iran in the Middle East.

Regards

Pete

Pete said...

Hi Anonymous [November 2, 2019 at 4:51 PM and previous comments]

Your coverage of the decline in South Korean-Japan relations is useful. Only North Korea and China benefit from this decline.

Also your coverage of the the US's inability (or unwillingness) to mend SK-Japan relations and the US's unwillingness to nurture the US-SK alliance is excellent.

Regards

Pete

Anonymous said...

Hi Pete

As there is no powerful and reliable financial institution nor commercial bank in South Korea (SK), its financial system is vulnerable. The government spending in SK exceeds hugely its tax revenue. This budget shortage is covered with foreign bonds because financial system in SK is too vulnerable to consume bonds in domestic market. Huge dependency of the government budget on foreign bonds is fatal defect of SK finance. When foreign bond owners begin to withdraw from the market, the government budget diminishes (=default). This kind of withdraw tends to suddenly start and rapidly spread, and it is sometimes triggered by external factors. SK should have established reliable financial system.


SK announces total amount of foreign currency reserves of 3.7billion, but, there is rumor the effective reserve is considerably less than this amount. In fact, SK suggests currency swap with Japan. If SK has enough hard currency, they need not currency swap. Some indices including Korea Composite Stock Price Index (KOSPI), Korean Securities Dealers Automated Quotations (KOSDQ) and USDKRW(Korean Won vs US Dollar) should be focused and their risk levels are said to be, <1900, <600 and >1200, respectively.

Regards

Pete said...

Hi Anonymous

It would be interesting to see how the vulnerability of the South Korean financial system relates to the high priority SK gives to defense spending (including submarines).

Regards

Pete

GhalibKabir said...

November 3, 2019 at 10:45 AM

ENR - Enrichment and Reprocessing.

GWB's support was great, but Hu Jintao and China made him burn a lot of geopolitical capital in 2008 and even then only abstained at the NSG when the India waiver came up for discussion. By 2012, when Obama was ready push India's full fledged membership, Xi was there and was much more hardline and China was more powerful by 2012 and the logjam persists. How can you make a powerful china an outcast?

Shamelessly, China asks for pakistan's inclusion after egregiously trafficking WGU and weapons designs and propping up a terrorist state and has jammed the entry door using the useful idiots pakistanis as the door stoppers..

https://www.amazon.com/Eating-Grass-Making-Pakistani-Bomb/dp/0804776016

Khan further notes that China later declared the HEU to be a. gift (p. 188)....

there you have it from the 'horse's' mouth, a retired Brigadier General who was part of the division that takes care of pakistan's 'family N jewels' proudly yaps in a book about China's HEU gift (at > 90% HEU it was actually WGU).

Then CIA facilitated the sales of CSS-5 missiles to Saudi by China in 2007 and since pakistan possesses missiles in the same family, you now know how this works..

my old (now deleted) blog even had a entry labeled,

'Nuclear Syphilis: The China-Pak-Saudi menage-a-trois'

That is why China in the NSG grates India, it is bit like an arsonist becoming fire chief.

Pete said...

Hi GhalibKabir [at November 4, 2019 at 9:35 AM]

Thanks for expansion of ENR to Enrichment and Reprocessing.

Looks like China is now too powerful (its economic stability internationally essential) to be made an Axis of Evil, Outcast, Pariah. Tied to that is an economically isolationist, trade barrier increacing, politically self-seeking, US, under Trump, no longer leading the "good" side.

Of course while China was transfering technology and HEU to Pakistan for nuclear weapons Saudi Arabia was gifting a great deal of funding to Pakistan. Pakistan may have paid China (for these nuclear goodies) using Saudi money.

Yes its interesting why the US didn't strenuously object to Chinese CSS-5 missiles being sold to Saudi Arabia in 2007. Perhaps the Saudi's played what-about-a-future-nuclear-Iran, and "Israel is nuclear armed" cards.

[see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Saudi_Arabia#Missile_capability "... Saudi Arabia had acquired CSS-5 intermediate-range ballistic missiles from China in 2007 with "Washington's quiet approval on the condition that CIA technical experts could verify they were not designed to carry nuclear warheads".[33]

The Center for Strategic and International Studies lists the CSS-5 as being capable of carrying either 250-kiloton or 500-kiloton nuclear or various types of conventional high-explosive warheads.[34] The CSS-5, while it has a comparatively shorter range (2,800 km) and half the payload (1 ton) of the CSS-2, is solid-fueled, thus can be set up and placed on alert status more easily than the liquid-fueled CSS-2, and its accuracy is much greater (circular error probable of 30 meters).]

I hope your blog was not forcibly deleted? It would have been a good read.

Regards

Pete

GhalibKabir said...

China willingly gave the nuclear goodies to pakistan as a way to checkmate and keep India boxed in. They have been partly successful as pakistan became a iron ball tied to India's foot, slowing down growth. pakistan, the eternal supplicant, could not have paid for an enrichment plant or the missiles etc..the design of n-weapon, HEU, all were 'gifts'.

I don't see a 'good' side even in relative terms. The US has been way too awful in way too many places for too long a time now (the US has too many religious nutjob politicians, with roos loose in their top paddock, too close to the N-arsenal for comfort). China is more ham fisted while in the past, the US could be finessed in a relative sense, (no more).

The 2007 US technical verification was a charade. It is not difficult to change the nose cone and adjust other settings to make the missile N-Capable. (the US persistently misses the 1300 year open schism in the M faith that lies at the foundation of the modern Saudi-Iran tussle). The Iranians are idiotic too, they could have made peace with Israel and recognized it in the 1980s and progressed far ahead... all we get in the end is a perpetually boiling ME cauldron and key ME countries acting deranged.

I decided to delete my blog as I could not maintain it. These days I occasionally offer to write on other blogs if asked to. easier that way.

PS: for all the shout of brotherhood, Saudis treat pakistanis (and most South, SE Asians) like toerags. They are called 'Daula e Miskeen' or 'denizens of wretched lands' (closest translation by an Arab colleague). The Saudi defense minister is on record on twitter calling pakistanis slaves... alas, Riyals speak louder than self-respect and spite for India runs real deep in pakistani bones.

Pete said...

Hi GhalibKabir [your November 5, 2019 at 5:06 PM]

What with roos with iron balls on elephants loose in the top paddock nuclear proliferation is a inherently game.

So for Pakistan's benefit China priced n-weapon secrets and HEU low while the Saudis provided substantial finance to Pak?

Compared to Trump the Obama era was one of relative US subtlety as was the Bill Clinton era. Could be US Republican Presidents need to impress their type of voters with tough actions and words.

Too bad China's President Xi seems to follow the rough, tough, militaristic US republican tradition (with a communist veneer).

Sadly even here in Australia there is little distinction between Muslim denominations (especially Sunni vs Shia) in the public and political minds.

Yes Saudis using their left hands to shake the hands of "lower races" is a give away.

And hey the average Saudi citizen is so wealthy they don't need to work. To them all other nationalities are "staff".

Cheers

Pete

GhalibKabir said...

Historically, Whenever they have had strength, Chinese rulers have always been crude and brutish to their neighbors. It is a simple calculation, the only people who get their grudging respect is someone who can show them that they have some leeway on them. else, the unsaid assumption w.r.t to other weaker nations in Zhongnanhai is, 'know your place and behave as told'. What people forget is, there is an unsaid 'racial hierarchy' in Chinese geopolitics, with 'lower races' like South Asians, Arabs, central asians, Blacks etc. coming at the bottom of the pile and held in utter contempt.

for the n-weapons, Saudis understood the unsaid quid pro quo to be 'in lieu of this cash, when it is crunch time, I will get access to the pak. nukes' (the use of pakistan as a hunting lodge for wild life, treating it like a bawdy house etc., were other perks)... for the Chinese it was different and primarily was a low cost way to keep India bogged down on its western borders and make it grow slowly in economic terms.

It was an incidental menage a trois. not planned...in any case a satanic nuclear weapon program got whelped with enduring peril for India.

Pete said...

Hi GhalibKabir [your November 6, 2019 at 3:39 PM]

All powers play power politics especially the legal and defacto legal nuclear powers.

Though accelerating potentially radical Islamic Pakistan's nuclear weapons path may be a move China might regret.

Regards

Pete

GhalibKabir said...

It already regrets stuff like enabling the Mumbai massacres in 1993, 2006, 2008 etc and, Indian parliament attacks in 2001 besides the general jihadist menagerie in place in pakistan. But China finds pakistan too useful a neighborhood 'nuisance tool' to cut loose.

Not to mention the access to ELF submarine communication facility at Turbat and bunkering, support facilities for DE and N subs at Gwadar right next door to the Persian Gulf (< 50 km from Iran and 450 km to Oman) making Djibouti-Gwadar axis a pincer like facility for PLAN.

pakistan, like a famished imp, has voraciously suckled at the Chinese financial teat for all it is worth.

PS: all powers play politics....it is simply not nice to be at the receiving end of one.

Pete said...

Hi GhalibKabir

After suffering minimal Islamic-separatist terrorism (compared to India) China has used its one party state, dictatorial powers to lock up a million+ Uyghurs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs#Chinese_internment_camps

Australia is lucky to be an island state with relatively low terrorism (touch wood). Largest new-Australian minorities being law abiding Chinese and Indians.

Thanks for the Turbat ELF station tip.

I also see https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2016/11/16/pakistan-unveils-vlf-submarine-communications-facility/ Pakistan's "VLF facility...[is] at a new base, PNS Hameed, near Pakistan's main port of Karachi" and

"In contrast to VLF radio signals, ELF signals can penetrate hundreds of meters below the sea surface but cannot transmit as much information as VLF signals. ELF signals can therefore be used to summon a submerged submarine closer to the surface so it can receive more detailed messages via VLF radio.

Pakistani subs will have to venture closer to the surface at prearranged times to check for VLF communication signals."

True, powere should be like Sweden - nice to everyone.

War Criminals said...

Pete, your comments board is being trolled by Japanese Imperialist Nationalists. Their dream is for the SK / US alliance to fracture and for SK and China to form an alliance (which is so incomprehensible, I just can't...) so that Japan can officially name SK a military threat and develop its own offensive capabilities, including nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, and strategic weapons (which are outlawed by its Pacifist Constitution).

A good portion of the Japanese population support Shinzo Abe, who is himself the grandson of a Japanese WWII cabinet member and war criminal.

Pete said...

Thanks "War Criminals" Interesting name?
at December 22, 2020 at 7:26 AM

Due to the holiday season I'll reply next week.

Cheers

Pete

Pete said...

Hi “War Criminals”
at December 22, 2020 at 7:26 AM

Now that Christmas festivities are over I can reply.

1. It is the nature of running a Submarine and other Military Technology projects Blog that commenters will generally be experts on military hardware and strategic competition. Such experts usually fall into rightwing nationalist categories (including me).

"Imperialist"? Japan experienced the perils of trying to militarily establish an Empire (aka “Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere") in 1931-1945.

Japan was almost destroyed by US actions in the process. So it is highly unlikely that Japan would go through the nuclearising/militarising steps of beating China, Russia and the US in order to try to carve out an a New Empire.

2. If South Koreans have problems with Japanese commenters on this Blog then you should regularly provide counter-comments like everyone else.

That ex Prime Minister Shinzo Abe “is himself the grandson of a Japanese WWII cabinet member and war criminal” has little significance.

This is taking into account the subsequent post 1945 (75) years of demilitarisation and Peace Constitution that has influences Abe’s and other Japanese leaders’ world outlook.

3. So counter-comment often, by all means.

Regards

Pete

Anonymous said...

Hi Pete

"At the Korea-US Security Council Meeting (SCM) held in October last year (2005), the South Korean government called for the removal of the US government's provision of a nuclear umbrella and for Japan to be described as a hypothetical enemy."
“US refused that it was not worth considering.”
(https://s.japanese.joins.com/JArticle/80903?sectcode=200&servcode=200 , 2006.10.18 16:53 JoongAng Ilbo)

Regards

Pete said...

Hi Anonymous

Thanks for your December 29, 2020 at 10:35 PM comment.

That is https://s.japanese.joins.com/JArticle/80903?sectcode=200&servcode=200 (in Japanese) does not put South Korea (SK) in a good light.

However:

1. It is a 2006 article about a 2005 SK-US meeting - so may not reflect SK's attitude to the US nuclear umbrella today.

And

2. Its original source appears to be Claims by SK independent politician Chung Mong-joon. Chung Mong-joon may not be a reliable source because strong suspicions about Chung, reported at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chung_Mong-joon include:

"...his alleged prior diagnosis of mental disorder in school years, his cheating incidence during final exam in college years, questionable identity of his real mother, discredit of his Johns Hopkins University doctoral degree, etc.[49] Some of these rumors have turned out to be true."

A more credible and recent report on the US nuclear umbrella may be "S. Korea may need to consider nuclear armament if North sticks to nukes: opposition" at https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20201124009400315

Regards

Pete