"Soumarsov", an expert on submarines built by Russia, has pointed Pete to a Russian
language FlotProm
(FP) article written by Dmitry
Zhavoronkov, dated March 7, 2019 indicating:
PETE COMMENT
With Russia's limited GDP, stretched defence budget and inefficient system of competing design bureaus, Russia has had trouble finding the money for all submarine sectors. This means Russia's highest priority is:
- nuclear submarine development,
- then non-AIP Kilo (Project 877 and 636) diesel-electric submarine upgrades
- and finally a relatively small budget is being shared among competing design bureaus for AIP
(Lada class Project 677-Amur) development. However Russia has a chicken-and-egg problem in
trying to export Amur submarines (with AIP being the main selling point) before Russia has
actually developed AIP.
Understandably there have been no serious Amur buyers (not even Morocco). Hence Russia has received no AIP development funding from Amur export sales.
India has bought many high priced Russian weapons systems, even part funding Russia's troubled stealth fighter program. But even India's DRDO might hesitate to fund Russian AIP. This is because AIP takes decades to develop and only Germany, Sweden and maybe China have developed modern AIP.
FURTHER READING
see this August 5, 2014 Submarine Matters article in part on the "Russian Kristall-7E AIP"
Pete (with much help from Soumarsov's tipoff)
The
development of Russian air independent propulsion (AIP) for submarine is
“suffocating” due to underfunding. [Modern AIP allows a diesel-electric
submarine to remain fully submerged for around 3 weeks rather than about 3
days].
Russian companies involved in AIP development, “have
suspended work due to underfunding.” According to sources in Russia's Rubin Submarin
Design Bureau and the Central
Research Institute of Ship Electrical Engineering and Technology (TSNII SET).
This underfunding situation has occurred for 18 months.
The difficult to translate FP
article appears to indicate underfunding may delay AIP for
Russia’s Lada
class submarine (Project 677) until 2027.
In January 2018, industry sources told FP the Malakhit Central
Design Bureau (part developer of AIP) was waiting for funds to
continue work on its part of the AIP Project. “More than a year later” [in
March 2019?] “the situation has not changed”.
Hard to translate words maybe implying: India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation
(DRDO) might help fund Russia’s AIP Project as Russia’s Lada (export design Amur-1650 )
submarine is a competitor in India’s Project-75(I) for 6 AIP conventional diesel electric submarines (SSKs) for India.
(DRDO) might help fund Russia’s AIP Project as Russia’s Lada (export design Amur-1650 )
submarine is a competitor in India’s Project-75(I) for 6 AIP conventional diesel electric submarines (SSKs) for India.
See more on the Indian-Russian Lada-Amur
connection in this Russian language FlotProm
(FP) article of February 22, 2019.
PETE COMMENT
With Russia's limited GDP, stretched defence budget and inefficient system of competing design bureaus, Russia has had trouble finding the money for all submarine sectors. This means Russia's highest priority is:
- nuclear submarine development,
- then non-AIP Kilo (Project 877 and 636) diesel-electric submarine upgrades
- and finally a relatively small budget is being shared among competing design bureaus for AIP
(Lada class Project 677-Amur) development. However Russia has a chicken-and-egg problem in
trying to export Amur submarines (with AIP being the main selling point) before Russia has
actually developed AIP.
Understandably there have been no serious Amur buyers (not even Morocco). Hence Russia has received no AIP development funding from Amur export sales.
India has bought many high priced Russian weapons systems, even part funding Russia's troubled stealth fighter program. But even India's DRDO might hesitate to fund Russian AIP. This is because AIP takes decades to develop and only Germany, Sweden and maybe China have developed modern AIP.
FURTHER READING
see this August 5, 2014 Submarine Matters article in part on the "Russian Kristall-7E AIP"
Pete (with much help from Soumarsov's tipoff)
1 comment:
On AIP, StrategyPage's expert(s) have written a very informative article "Submarines: Russia Got The AIP Blues" of March 18, 2019 https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsub/20190318.aspx
Within its almost 2,000 words the article combines too many ideas on Chinese and Russian submarine development and their varying success (or not) in developing AIP.
"too many" because there is too much to absorb at one sitting. The StrategyPage's 2,000 word needs to be broken down into 3 essays, eg:
- Russia and AIP
- China and AIP, and
- How China has further developed Russian Kilo Technology
Which is what I intend to do. Fully citing StrategyPage of course.
Regards
Pete
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