October 1, 2015

Likely Specs of the Future Japanese "Super Soryu" Sub for Australia

The Soryu first of class (No. 501). Japan's design for Australia, will perhaps be temporarily called "Super Soryu" or in the production sequence as "SS29 mod-AUS". (Photo courtesy seaforces).
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This is a work in progress mainly derived from comments by "S" over the last few months. S's information, from what I call the Japanese military-industrial complex, has frequently been unique and inline with other open sources. I will update and fill out details as new information and corrections come in.

There is a firmer Japanese intention to build the future submarines in Australia. See Reuters' excellent article Japan says ready to build all submarines for Canberra in Australia, September 29, 2015.

An excellent article by Mina Pollmann for The Diplomat indicates: "Japan’s Ministry of Defense (MOD) created the 1,800-person strong Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics Agency (ATLA) on October 1 [2015] to deal with many of the practical challenges that remain to implement this new export policy. A staff of 50 within ATLA will be dedicated specifically to arms export promotion….The proposal for submarine technology cooperation between Japan and Australia is a classic case of Japan trying to alleviate its abandonment fears vis-à-vis the U.S. by proving its commitment to “burden-sharing.”" 

I'm under the impression that Japan will likely win. The US probably still wants that. A winner needs to be qualified to receive the mainly US developed combat system which Australia has already announced Australia will use as a "key strategic requirement" (see item c).  See Lockheed Martin Combat System Laboratory that has just opened at Mawson Lakes un Adelaide. If not Japan then probably Germany. 

The internal Japanese name for Australia's submarine class is (as at September 2015) SS29 mod-AUS. See the Soryu Table below. Japan is making a 29SS first for its own Navy. Japan's 29SS will , perhaps be laid down in Kobe, Japan in 2018. 

If Australia accepts that 29SS will be a part-prototype for the 8 to 12 SS29 mod-AUS submarines to be built in Australia then the Australian sub is unlikely to use Air Independent Propulsion (AIP). Australia did not use AIP in the Collins and "no-AIP" was one of the enlightened decisions involving the Collins. AIP involves high cost, heavy weight additions, balance-buoyancy problems and most importantly can be particularly dangerous due mainly to poison and/or explosive gases. However Australia is likely to use Lithium-ion batteries (LIBs) that are becoming the standard high capacity, quickly charged battery type.


On the issue of less than 30 year operational life the preferred Japanese measure seems to be comparing the Japanese sub with German and French subs according to days actually on operational missions. However, I think non-operational time in salt water (which can rust/corrode hulls) at Fleet Base West should also be taken into account.

The hull structure will be partly double and partly single hull instead of the all single hull on the Collins.

The pressure hull will not use Japan's most secret pressure hull steel alloy known as naval steel NS-110. Instead an alloy that is easier to cut and reweld (for major maintenance in Australia) will be used. I would guess that it may have a US scale HY value of HY-120 or HY-130. Countries involved in formulating a new or existing alloy would include Australia, Japan, maybe the US and possibly also Sweden. Given experience with Collins steel Australia has demonstrated it can make submarine steel. Australia making the steel (probably at Wollongong or Newcastle) might be considered part of the 70%-80% of the “Full Australian” build.

SPECIFICATIONS


Length:
Beam:
9.1 meters Worked Out (1) below
Draft:

8.5 meters [approx - this is current Soryu measure]
Displacement:

3,600 tons (surfaced) / 4,500-4,600 tons (submerged) [source for all 
displacement figures S comment Sept 26, 2015 3:17AM] Worked Out (2) below
Speed/Range:


11,500nm/10kt surfaced, / Worked Out (3) below
8000-9000nm/6.5kt snorkel
 and ca. 3000 nm/4kt submerged, 20+ kt max submerged (current Soryu)



Crew:

60 Worked Out (4) below
Operational depth:
900 feet (275 meters) test depth [same as "shallow" official Soryu depth]
Propulsion:


Diesel-Electric using Lithium-ion Batteries (LIBs)
2 Kawasaki 12V25/25SB or more advanced Kawasaki diesel engines Worked Out (5) and (6) below
equipped with newly-developed snorkel-generator system - see (6) below
6+ MW [approx] permanent magnet motor [APDR Oct 2015 edition, Vol. 41, No.8, page 44]
4,500 hp surfaced [est extrapolation]/ 8,500 hp submerged [est extrapolation]
1 shaft / 1 propeller

Armament:
6 x 21-inch (533mm) torpedo tubes for 20 Mk 48 torpedoes or sub-launched Harpoon SSM or Tomahawk land attack or mines or UUVs. Note that reports that Soryus could carry "30" heavyweight torpedos/missiles are a confusion of the 10 torpedos/missiles + 20 mines that could be carried (mines being smaller). No VLS.

                                    AN/BYG-1 combat system with compatible sonars + other sensors
                                        
                                    Detachable Dry Deck Shelter for divers, diver delivery vehicle, LDUUV

Miscellaneous            Modications required: include washing machine, fold-down ladies toilet seat,
                                    longer bunks than the current 5 feet 3 inches



How some figures Worked Out (1) to (5) by S in Comments at October 2, 2015 at 2:00 AM

(1)  Beam remains unchanged 9.1m as on current Soryu. Pressure shaping of hull steel plate to cylinder is very difficult process, so lengthening hull is much easier than broadening beam to increase submarine volume.

(2)  Displacement  "Surfaced: weight minus {liquid oxygen & container (120t), Stirling AIP (2-3t)} plus {LIBs(380t), longer hull + additional fuel (240t)} = +500t"


"Submerged: increase in water weight corresponding to volume increase with increase in hull length (+4m) = +300t"

(3)  Speed and range - "According to right sidebar Wikipedia, both surface and snorkel cruising speeds of Collins are 10kt, but these values seem to be introduced as maximum speeds by the RAN. S calculated and estimated amount of diesel fuel to achieve wiki-performance of Collins (11,500nm/10kt surfaced, 9,000nm/10kt snorkel) , and concluded that Collins must carry 800-1000 tons of diesel fuel to achieve 9,000nm/10kt and that it was impossible. Judging from the projected figure/dimension of Collins and from comparison with Soryu. S thinks that Collins cruises 9,000nm at ca.6kt snorkel by using ca.300ton of diesel fuel."

"29SS mod-AUS may achieve 8000-9000nm/6.5kt snorkel and ca. 3000 nm/4kt submerged. Speed of submarine is affected by drag rather than displacement. In 29SS mod-AUS, as frontal projected area and shape are not changed with slight increase in length (+4m=5%), drag does not become worse meaning negligible loss in performance compared to 29SS."

(4)  Number of Crew - Crews of 29SS will reduce to 59-62 by removal of AIP and an increase in automation in the sub. The RAN may adopt the 3 working-shift system instead of the 2 working-shift system. The 2 working-shift system is too tough for long missions [October 6, 2015 at 10:43 PM].

(5)  Improvement in diesel engine for rapid charge of LIBs - "Enhancement of diesel generation will be achieved by simple capacity increase (increase in bore and stroke) in cylinder volume, not by increase in numbers of diesel engine or cylinder. Increase in numbers of diesel engine requires change of arrangement of diesel engine room. V12 engine (12V25/25SB) is best cylinder configuration with ideal balance and least vibration.
The capacity increase in cylinder is dominated by snorkel capacity which may increase to certain extent which is limited by the unchanged dimension and shape of the mast. JMSDF may make an increase in diameter of snorkel and filter efficiency up to 20-25%. I think new V12 engine can improve in performance of 50-100% (12,000-16,000PS) which brings increase in snorkel speed (15-25%)."

(6)  Worked out by wispywood2344 in Comments on October 2, 2015 at 9:39 PM - The 29SS-class must be equipped with "newly-developed" snorkel-generator system, and its diesel engine must not be 12V25/25S variant. Because, TRDI(Technical Research and Development Institute) had concluded that present snorkel-generator system must be outdated in performance in 2020s, and started development of next-generation snorkel-generator system including diesel engine. The main concept is downsizing, increasing power, and reduce noise emission.[see Japanese language PDF]. Note that the first adoption of 12V25/25S series was 28 years ago (lead ship of Harushio-class), and its design is already obsolete. I guess that performance improvement of the diesel engine should be achieved by "expanding boost pressure" and/or "increasing rotating speed". 


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The increase in displacement (surfaced) up from 2,900 tons (for the Soryu) to 3,600 tons for the SS29 mod-AUS, is probably due to the need for extra diesel fuel (for 10,000+ nautical miles range, up from 6,000) and more diesel engine capacity for faster Lithium-ion Battery charging requirements.

SORYU TABLE 
(which provides the context from which the Australian submarine will be developed)

One of the strengths of Japan overseeing the build of the Australian submarine is that the Japanese military-industrial complex (Japanese Ministry of Defence, Navy, KHI and MHI) is very stable but also constantly innovates.

Each of the Soryus (in the table below) is built on the lessons of each previous Soryu. The Soryu as a group have been developed on the basis of the preceding Oyashio class (11 subs, 1998 - present)  and Harushio class (7 subs, 1990 - 2 may be still training/testbeds).


SS
No.
Building
No.
Pennant
No.
Name/Namesake
LAB or LIB & AIP *
Laid Down
Laun
-ched
Commi-ssioned
Built
By
16SS
8116
SS-501
Sōryū (そうりゅう) / Blue Dragon
Soryu Mark 1
LAB + AIP
March 2005
Dec 2007
March
2009
MHI
17SS
8117
SS-502
Unryū (うんりゅう) / Cloud Dragon
LAB + AIP
March 2006
Oct 2008
March
2010
KHI
18SS
8118
SS-503
Hakuryū (はくりゅう) / White Dragon
LAB + AIP
Feb 2007
Oct 2009
March
2011
MHI
19SS
8119
SS-504
Kenryū (けんりゅう) / Sword Dragon
LAB + AIP
March 2008
Nov 2010
March
2012
KHI
20SS
8120
SS-505
Zuiryu (けんりゅう) / Sword Dragon
LAB + AIP
March 2009
Oct 2011
March
2013
MHI
22SS
8122
SS-506
Kokuryū (こくりゅう) / Black Dragon
LAB + AIP
January 2011
Oct 2013
March
2014
KHI
23SS
8123
SS-507
Jinryū (じんりゅう)/ Benevolent Dragon
LAB + AIP
Feb 2012
Nov 2014
March
2016?
MHI
24SS
8124
SS-508
?
LAB + AIP
2013
2015?
2017
KHI
25SS
8125
SS-509
?
LAB + AIP
2014
2016?
2018
MHI
26SS
8126
SS-510
?
LAB + AIP
2015
2017?
2019
KHI
27SS
8127
SS-511
Soryu Mark 2 
LIB only
2016?
2018?
2020?
MHI
28SS
8128
SS-512

LIB only
2017?
2019?
2021?
KHI
29SS
8129
SS-513
  
LIB only
2018?
2020?
2022?
MHI
AUS1
 Super Soryu for Australia
LIB only
2022?
2024?
2026?
in Aus

LAB = Lead Acid Battery.
LIB = Lithium-ion Battery,
AIP = Air Independent Propulsion (Swedish-Kockums designed Stirling engine)

I'll add new figures, comments and corrections as they come to hand.

Pete

Royal Navy finding it Difficult to Recruit Submariners


Life on a Royal Australian Navy submarine.
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US Navy Petty Officer 2nd Class Andrew Crandall describes his job as a fire control technician on the USS Montpelier SSN,
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In 2010 UK TWOSIX.tv presenter Kate McIntyre visited HMS Torbay (an SSN) to take a look at the roles and life on board a Royal Navy submarine and to talk to submariners and their families
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Perhaps all navies (except the US Navy) have trouble recruiting and retaining submariners. 
James Dunn, for MailOnline, via Daily Mail Australia, August 23, 2015, reports http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3207736/Youngsters-don-t-want-serve-Royal-Navy-submarines-t-log-Facebook-waves.html

Youngsters don't want to serve on Royal Navy submarines because they can't log on to Facebook while under the waves

•   Submariners spend up to 90 days under water on tours lasting up to a year
•   It's a problem for the Navy which saw 1,740 sailors quit early in 12 months
•   Consultants helping recruit says people now want better work life balance
•   Submariner role asks too big a lifestyle change for social media generation

The Royal Navy is struggling to recruit young people as they are no longer willing to tolerate the isolation of underwater life.

It's part of a wider trend that has seen all the armed forces struggling to meet recruitment targets as the social media generation expect more from their employers.

The news has emerged as part of research by PA Consulting which has been trying to help the Royal Navy tackle its staff shortages.

Nick Chaffey, head of defence consulting, told The Sunday Telegraph that society has moved faster than we think over the last few decades. 'For example, the fact that if you are a submariner, you are locked in a tin can under the water and that's it for at least a considerable chunk of time.

'The fact that you are disconnected from the world wide web and Twitter is actually a significant barrier to recruiting young people.

'You have got a disconnect between the needs of the role, and potentially the excitement of the role and the expectation and demands of the next generation of employee.'

The firm claims that young people now expect more from their employers, change jobs more often and look for a better work life balance.

Its led to a slowing in recruitment and swathes of soldiers, sailors and airmen leaving the ranks which has meant numbers have dipped below the government's downsizing target of 82,000 three years before the deadline.

This is despite multi-million pounds media campaigns to attract new recruits.

Submariners can expect to spend up to 90 days underwater at a time but tours can last nearly a yer, with six and a half months spent submerged.

In the Navy, 1,740 sailors quit early in the last 12 months,  higher rate than in the Army or RAF.
Mr Chaffey said it is becoming increasingly difficult to attract bright young people when they are expected to make such a drastic change to their lifestyle." see WHOLE ARTICLE

Pete