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Tomorrow I look at what Liaoning can do and where.
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Hi Pete,regarding the night-ops:https://china-defense.blogspot.de/2017/01/cctv-capture-of-day-night-carrier.html- J15 have been photographed taking off with 2x YJ-83 Anti-ship ASM and 2x PL-8 short-range AAM and 2x PL-12 BVR AAAM.https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/j-15-carrier-multirole-fighter-thread.t6768/- the modified propulsion-system of Liaoning can keep her at 30kt for 5 hours.https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/cv-16-liaoning-thread-ii-news-views-and-operations.t8030/Cheers,Team Eurowussies
With a ski jump, one cannot launch AWACS. No AWACS means you are essentially blind.KQN
Hi Team Euro (or is that Beijing?) wussiesI disagree:1. https://china-defense.blogspot.de/2017/01/cctv-capture-of-day-night-carrier.html - there are no "night ops" takeoffs and landings depicted. The first 2 photos show J-15s on deck doing nothing. The 3rd photo shows the ground crew moving a J-15 around on deck2. https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/j-15-carrier-multirole-fighter-thread.t6768/ shows no J-15 being photographed taking off FROM LIAONING . Sure a J-15 may be able to takeoff from a land base with twice as many stores than if it took off from Liaoning. 3. You'll note I said 20 knots was Liaoning's CRUISING speed. Yes Liaoning might be able to travel at 30 knots for a few hours. After 5 hours at 30 knots Liaoning would have burnt up a large amount of fuel to be only 50 nautical miles further than it would be if it was at cruising speed. This is compared to Nimitz class carriers that can cross whole oceans quickly and many times without refueling.CheersPete
Hi KQNVery true. Liaoning will need to rely on helicopters as slow and limited range platforms for AWACS/AEW.Unfortunately the UK's Queen Elizabeth class carriers may have the same AWACS only by helicopter limitation. This may be the Merlin AEW helicopter or perhaps Sea King ASaC.7. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth-class_aircraft_carrier#Airborne_early_warning_and_controlRegardsPete
Sure J-15 can carry 4 AAM and 2 YJ-83 but the question is how much fuel do they need to trade off. With two big jet engines, a pedestrian SFC times the thrust, that is not a good thing. I have not seen J-15 doing buddy refueling like F/A-18.The other shortcoming of the J-15 and SU-27/30 variants is the low overall availability as a result of those engines having short life before needing an out of bay tear down (something like 500 hours). And if they are Russian engines, I believe you may have to ship them back if I am correct. KQN
The Liaoning is a training vessel for China. Unlike other nations China has the capability to build nuclear powered aircraft carriers. China will notice the deficiencies and build a proper carrier on its own with catapults. At the moment China is building some very large aircraft carriers in the South Chinese Sea. A type called island and very hard to sink by a submarine.Regards,MHalblaub
@MHalblaub:The Chinese have the capability to develop marine based nuclear propulsion on their submarines but it does not follow that this translates to the engineering of a nuclear powered carrier. The shaft horsepower of a Nimitz class is about an order of magnitude greater than an SSN (although it is split across four shafts). The CV currently building appears to be largely identical to Liaoning which would indicate it will take a long time for them to move towards a clean sheet, nuclear design. The next innovation to look for in their third CV likely will be catapults giving them much more aircraft options and payloads.Cheers,Josh
Hi KQN [at 17/1/17 8:14 PM]Thanks for the tip about relatively short jet engine life for users of SU-27/30 variants (including the J-15s and J-11s). So as well as China and Russia other users, like India and Indonesia, would suffer low engine lives.This might shorten the weekly pilot training schedules - which would lower pilot skill levels.RegardsPete
Hi Pete,It's Team Eurowussies - if you check the IP-adresses I posted from.I have been reading the "china-defense.blogspot" and sinodefenceforum.com for years now - long before I started to follow your blog. (I can't read Mandarin, so for me they are the best sources - for now.)My earlier post is just for the purpose of the discourse, not to (counter-)prove anything.While sinodefenceforum.com does have problems with trolls and stronk-crews from time to time, the mods enforce the forum-rules & netiquette swiftly.There are professional writers like Andreas Rupprecht (aka deino) and former USN-servicemen like "bdpopeye", who are quite identifiable and they neither are China-fanboys nor play down the tremendous gains which Chinese forces made.You might want to spent some time on that board or contact A. Rupprecht and other forum-members there.Cheers,T E
Hi "Team Eurowussies" [at 26/1/17 8:03 PM]There's too many IP addressess (over 500/day) and the timezones are too complicated for me to solve the (guarded?) mystery of the country you're sending from.In Europe? Can you be more specific?CheersPete
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