October 19, 2020

Number of Batteries in Japan's new Taigei submarine.

More than the 640 likely LIB battery modules on Taigei and the Soryu Mk IIs (Oryu and Toryu) is possible, although evidence on this is not definite. Maybe 3 x 240 = 720 in bottom decks is possible. Twice as many batteries 2 x 480 = 960 is less likely if double decks are required.

According to several sources, including Janes (October 14, 2020), Japan’s new Taigei class submarine will have almost identical dimensions/displacement (length 84m, beam 9.1m, draught 10.4m, and standard [surfaced] displacement of about 3,000 tonnes) compared to Soryu Mk I and II class’s (84m, 9.1m, 10.3m, standard displacement of 2,950 tonnes). The main change will be/is replacement of the Soryu Mk I’s AIP (Stirling engines, Hydrogen and LOx tanks) with more batteries in the Oryu, Toryu and the Taigei class. But how many extra batteries is not publically known.

So the almost identical Soryu/Taigei dimensions/displacement means the Taigei class represents a something for something switch rather than the usual larger submarine class replacing its predecessor.

In the Table at https://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2017/03/comparison-of-soryu-modes-of-electrical.html Anonymous indicates:
-  Soryu Mk Is have 480 LAB modules and
-  Soryu Mk IIs [ie Oryu and Toryu and presumably the Taigei-class] may have 576 or 672 LIB modules
   [or some number in between]

Here https://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2017/05/first-picture-of-libs-and-labs-for.html Anonymous indicates dimensions and weights of modules are:
-  LAB is 444mm x 432mm x 1,665mm and weighing 880kg, and 
-  LIB is 444mm x 431mm x 1,647mm and weighing 770kg

If accurate this demonstrates that LAB and LIB battery modules for Japanese submarines are of similar dimensions and weights. It is likely Japan would not drastically increase the number of modules.

For example, even when Soryu Mk I’s AIP (Stirling engines, Hydogen and LOx tanks) are removed Japan might not double the number of 480 modules to 960 (in a Soryu Mk II (Oryu and Toryu) or Taigei class) submarine as this may make the submarine too heavy and take up too much of a submarine’s space/volume.

Also, as Anonymous advises, a double deck arrangements (if used) is unstable in terms of top heavy balance/buoyancy and increases “stray magnetic fields” see paragraph [4] at http://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2020/10/electrical-propulsion-costs-soryu-mk_5.htmlSo it is more likely Japan has maintained a single deck, “all on bottom” arrangement. 

As there are electrical power/engineering and measurement/slot advantages of having a simple multiple of batteries of the same size then exactly one third more than 480 modules of the 444mm x 432mm LAB measurement equals 640 modules of the 444mm x 431mm LIB measuement on Oryu, Toryu and Taigei.

If/As the LIBs are slightly shorter at 1,647mm they can fit into the LABs 1,665mm slots. This may also allow some space for active and/or passive heat dispersal and fire suppressant fittings for the LIBs (if needed). Also if the LIBs weigh just 770kg compared to each LAB’s 880kg that is another reason (in addition to AIP removal) that more LIBs can fit – in terms of not increasing the Taigei class’s weight unduly. 

Supporting the 640 LIB module estimate is Japan’s defense agency ATLA's lists of central procurement items.SMC-8B specification” p.9, part translated at http://blog.livedoor.jp/wispywood2344/others/SMC-8B%20P_9_s.png which indicates the [submarine] “is powered by 2 groups of battery modules, each consisting of 320 battery modules...” ATLA’s lists suggests this battery specification of Taigei is the same as Oryu and Toryu ie. 640 battery modules.

More than 640 battery modules is possible, although there is less definite evidence of more than 640. Twice as many batteries as the 480 in Soryu Mk Is is unlikely for the reasons stated above. Maybe 3 x 240 = 720 in bottom decks is possible. More evidence for these numbers, which may appear in months or years, is needed.       


Of interest is ATLA’s current listed research activity - as at October 19, 2020:  "Conduct research on electricity storage system with large capacity and high density, electricity supply system with high efficient and compact sized to extend submarines’ underwater endurance without increasing ship size." (Diagram and caption courtesy ATLA, October 2020, at https://www.mod.go.jp/atla/en/soubi_kansen.html).
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Inside Japan's New Taigei Submarine in English, Security?

               Torpedo Counter Measure
               (TCM) System

                                                          Command        Non-Hull
                                                           Center            Penetrating Masts
Main
 Motor                                                                 (eg. photonics)        Anechoic Tiles

平成29年度計画潜水艦「たいげい」のイメージ図(出所:海上幕僚監部広報室)
Towed array        LIB batteries    Propulsion Control     Side               Bow
                                                Room (on upper        array              array
                                                deck)


All information from friends of Submarine Matters, October 15 to 17, 2020 here

English captions translated from Japanese by Abao coincide with original Japanese. 

Cutaway image of Japan's new submarine Taigei (Source: Japan Maritime Staff Office Public Relations Office, October 2020) via https://news.yahoo.co.jp/byline/takahashikosuke/20201014-00202968/ provided by Anonymous October 15, 20120. 

Perhaps for security reasons the cutaway image has been intentionally distorted inside by Japan's  Ministry of Defense, so machine noise and electrical fitting emissions cannot be detected or measured as easily by opposing navies.. See intentional duplicated images highlighted by wispywood2344 at http://blog.livedoor.jp/wispywood2344/others/29SS_cutaway.png . 

October 16, 2020

Soviet ASW Helicopter Tactics


 

"Jive" of Sub Brief gives a briefing on Soviet ASW Helicopter Tactics in the Youtube here https://youtu.be/eBxXIwJCjv4 and above.

The helicopters illustrated are Kamov Ka-25 Hormones especially designed for ASW. They carry a  dipping sonar and a light weight torpedo or 2).

Helicopters work more effectivey in concert with warships. See Submarine Matters' earlier post How can small ASW vessels find a Submarine? of October 9, 2020.

The warship and its helicopter can operate active and/or passive sonars. For example (a Harbin Z-9) can operate from a Chinese Type 056 corvette of around 1,500 tons. 

A rotary wing UAV eg. the VSR700, of 700kg max takeoff weight, with dipping sonar, might be able to operate off an even smaller vessel.

October 15, 2020

Japan names new "Taigei" (Big Whale) Submarine Class

The Japan Times reports on October 14, 2020, in MHI's Kobe shipyard, Japan launched and named the first of a new class of submarine. Following my September 29, 2020 prediction that "the New Class would likely be assigned a name of a Japanese mythological creature" this has occurred. 

The first submarine of class (and with it Class Name) has been named "Taigei" ("Big Whale") after the WWII submarine tender Taigei which was converted into the Japanese aircraft carrier Ryuho

See further details from the most succinct source Janeshttps://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/mhi-launches-first-of-new-class-of-submarines-for-jmsdf-equipped-with-lithium-ion-batteries

See Taigei, with further details, in the Table below.

Japanese Submarine Table as at October 14, 2020. 

SS
No.
Diesel Type
Motor
Build No
Name
Pennant
No.
MoF approved amount ¥
Billions FY
LABs, LIBs, AIP
Laid Down
Laun
-ched
Commi
ssioned
Built
By
5SS Oyashio
8105 Oyashio
SS-590/ TS3608
¥52.2B FY1993
2 x 12V25/25S 
diesels for all
Oyashio class
(each diesel 
2,000kW)
LABs only
 Jan 1994
Oct 1996
Mar 1998
 KHI
6SS-15SS
Oyashios 
10 subs
SMC-7?
8106
-8115
various
SS-591-600
¥52.2B per sub
FY1994-FY2003
LABs only
 15SS Feb
2004
15SS
Nov
2006
15SS
Mar 2008
 MHI
&
KHI
16SS
Dragon
class  Mk I
8116
SS-501
¥60B FY2004 all Mk.1 LAB+AIP Soryus have 2 x Kawasaki 
12V25/25SB 
diesels may total
(6,000kW
sidebar)
see and + 4 AIP
SMC-8 motor
LABs + AIP
Mar 2005
Dec 2007
Mar
2009
MHI
17SS
8117
Unryū
SS-502
¥58.7B FY2005
LABs + AIP
Mar 2006
Oct 2008
Mar
2010
KHI
18SS
8118
Hakuryū
SS-503
¥56.2 FY2006
LABs + AIP
Feb 2007
Oct 2009
Mar
2011
MHI
19SS
8119
Kenryū
SS-504
¥53B FY2007
LABs + AIP
Mar 2008
Nov 2010
Mar
2012
KHI
20SS
8120
Zuiryū
SS-505
¥51B FY2008
LABs + AIP
Mar 2009
Oct 2011
Mar
2013
MHI
21SS LIBs Concept
Research
Project
No 21SS built. It was an 8 year research project on LIBs. 1st LIBs sub launched was 27SS in 2018.
   


22SS
8121
Kokuryū
SS-506
¥52.8B FY2010
LABs + AIP
Jan 2011
Oct 2013
Mar
2015
KHI
23SS
8122
Jinryu
SS-507
¥54.6B FY2011
LABs + AIP
Feb 2012
Oct 2014
7 Mar 2016
MHI
24SS
8123
Sekiryū
SS-508
¥54.7B FY2012
LABs + AIP
KHI
25SS
8124
SS-509
¥53.1B FY2013
LABs + AIP
22 Oct 2013
12 Oct   2016
MHI
26SS
8125
SS-510
¥51.7B FY2014
last SMC-8 motor
LABs + AIP
2014
6 Nov 2017
KHI
27SS a Soryu
"Mk II" as it
has LIBs. 1st
Soryu Mk II 
8126
Oryū
11th
Soryu
SS-511
¥64.4B FY2015 
with 2 12V25/25SB diesels (totaling 4,200kW) 
SMC-8B motor
Soryu Mk IIs may have twice as many batteries as Mk Is, ie 960 LIB-arrays in Mk IIs, other improvements
LIBs only
(SLH type)
Nov
2015
4 Oct
2018
2020
MHI
28SS Soryu
Mk II, 12th &
final Soryu
8127
SS-512
¥63.6B FY2016
still 12V25/25SB
"2,900t" surfaced
SLH
LIBs
Jan 2017
Mar 2021?
KHI
29SS
First of new
class
Taigei
(Big Whale)
Class

Correlation of
Whales and
Ghosts
 in
Japanese
Mythology

8128
Taigei
SS-513
¥76B FY2017 (Heisei 29)
Higher ¥76
budget being
first of class
with  new
12V25/31S 
diesels
(2,500-
2,800kW?) 
and new Combat
System features.
SLH
LIBs
maybe
960
2017?

14 Oct
2020 
Mar 2022
MHI

30SS 
Second of
Taigei Class

SS-513
¥71.5B FY2018 
(Heisei 30)
12V25/31S
diesels
SLH
LIBs
2018?
2020?
2022?
MHI?
01SS? 
Third of 
Taigei Class
8029?
SS-514
¥B? FY2019 (Reiwa 01)
12V25/31S 
diesels
SLH
LIBs
maybe
960+
2019?
2021?
2023?
KHI?
02SS?  
Fourth of 
Taigei Class 
8030?
SS-515
¥B? FY2020 (Reiwa 02)
Improved SLH LIBS

2 x Diesels uprated
12V25/31S or newer
 (each likely 3,000+kW?)
Impro
ved SLH
LIBs
2020?
2022?
2024?
MHI?
03SS
8031?
SS-516
¥B? FY2021
LIBs 
2021?
2023?
2025?
KHI?
04SS
8032?
SS-517
¥B? FY2022
LIBs
2022?
2024?
2026?
MHI?
05SS 
8033?
SS-518
¥B? FY2023
LIBs
2023?
2025?
2027?
KHI?
06SS
8034?
SS-519
¥B? FY2024
LIBs 
2024?
2026?
2028?
MHI?
07SS 
8035?
SS-520
¥B? FY2025
LIBs
2025?
2027?
2029?
KHI?
08SS 
8036?
SS-521
¥B? FY2026

LIBs
2026?
2028?2030?
MHI?
Key to Table: Table information exclusively provided to Submarine MattersLABs = lead-acid batteries, AIP = air independent propulsion, LIB= Lithium-ion Batteries. 
¥***B
 = Billion Yen. MHI = Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, KHI = Kawasaki Shipbuilding Corporation of Kawasaki Heavy Industries. 
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October 14, 2020

LEU More Acceptable for South Korean Nuclear Submarines

Nuclear propulsion gives ballistic missile submarines significant strategic and tactical advantages. So, facing a nuclear armed North Korea, South Korea is displaying the signs of seeking such a capability. Nuclear propulsion provides for much more rapid discrete movement and much longer term discrete/submerged operation.

On Oct 25, 2019 I wrote the article South Korea Looking at France’s Barracuda SSN or Just the K15 Reactor. It is significant that France’s K15 reactor, that powers its Barracuda (Suffren-class) SSN, uses Low Enriched Uranium (LEU) of 7.5% (see page 66 here). LEU is more acceptable, from a nuclear proliferation politico-legal viewpoint, than HEU - as higher percentages of HEU (40% in the tamper secondary stage at a minimum) can be used for nuclear weapons.

So it comes as less of a surprise that a South China Morning Post (SCMP) article, dated October 6, 2020 https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3104424/south-koreas-request-submarine-nuclear-fuel-us-denied-report reported:

“Citing an unidentified diplomatic source in Washington, [South Korean news site DONG-A ILBO] said South Korea [in September 2020] briefed the US side on its plan to develop [SSBNs] and expressed its wish to be supplied with low-enriched uranium from the US to use as fuel for the subs.” But “its initial request has been turned down by Washington” due to the US-SK Agreement for Peaceful Nuclear Cooperation (aka “123 Agreement”)

Providing context for this South Korean LEU request, SCMP further reported, October 6, 2020:

“As part of its programme to build up its military capabilities over the next five years, South Korea’s defence ministry in August [2020] unveiled a plan to develop three 3,600-4,000-tonne submarines, [what I termed “KSS III Batch III”s in 2019] which would be capable of carrying more ballistic missiles than the existing [KSS III] 3,000-tonne submarines.

The defence ministry is keeping open the possibility that the new subs could be powered by nuclear fuel instead of diesel fuel, although a ministry spokesman said that details “have not yet been fixed as to the propulsion methods of the submarines”

COMMENT

As the US Trump Administration has rejected South Korea’s enriched Uranium request just weeks before the US November 3, 2020 Elections, it is possible South Korea is waiting on whether any incoming Biden Administration might reverse the LEU rejection decision.

LEU and other aspects of a nuclear propelled ballistic missile submarine (SSBN) capability are interlinked. South Korea could only develop a submarine reactor and an SSBN design from scratch with great difficulty. So it is more likely South Korea would seek the elements of an SSBN deterrent system from a combination of countries.

Failing US LEU approval South Korea might:

-  again discuss with Russia, as South Korea did in 2017, a naval reactor design.

-  renew what likely have been discrete talks with France on K15 reactor design and Barracuda variant as an SSBN and also French sourced or designed LEU for a K15 reactor. In terms of SLBMs South Korea would also be aware France, in the 1960s, helped Israel develop the Jericho ballistic missile for nuclear warhead delivery system. This was while France, in the 1950s/60s, was also building Israel's Dimona/Negev Reactor Center for nuclear explosives, including the Plutonium Reprocessing Plant. 

OR

-  South Korea could enrich its own LEU. In 2000 South Korea laser enrich uranium to 77%. Enriching its own Uranium is the only way South Korea can guarantee supply. However to do so South Korea would still politically need US permission and need US influence over the IAEA and other non-proliferation forums. The US can always remove its armed forces from South Korea, if US policies are not heeded.

South Korean risks, policies and technical transitions to develop nuclear tipped SLBMs will be the subject of a future article.

October 13, 2020

China's Invasion of Taiwan Drill Video - Oct 10/11, 2020

https://youtu.be/DPp_Guk3GEc Joint multidimensional landing drill conducted in sea areas of East and South China" aka Chinese PLA Invasion of Taiwan Drill (with stirring music).  

in Beijing for Hong Kong’s South China Morning Post (SCMP) reports. October 11, 2020 https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3105059/chinese-military-stages-island-invasion-drill-during-taiwans

“Chinese military stages island invasion drill during Taiwan’s ‘Double Tenth’ holiday”

The large-scale PLA exercise saw units moving from multiple locations in a simulated air and seaborne attack

The exercise came as [Taiwan’s] President Tsai Ing-wen called for meaningful dialogue with the mainland during celebration to mark the foundation of the Republic of China.”

The People’s Liberation Army held a large-scale exercise that simulated the invasion of an island during Taiwan’s Double Tenth holiday, Chinese state media has reported.

The drill included new units such as drones, special forces and airborne troops, and saw forces moving from multiple locations in the coastal provinces of Guangdong and Fujian, some of them by night, state broadcaster CCTV reported.

“This exercise, with the effective integration of multiple new combat forces, increased the PLA’s capabilities in joint landings and three-dimensaional assaults,” the report said."

[as the SCMP article asks you to sign up more coverage is here https://sg.news.yahoo.com/chinese-military-stages-island-invasion-125655756.html