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April 4, 2014

Russian SSK Development - Kalina Class Awaiting Any AIP

AIP Amur 1650 (export name of the larger version of 4th generation Lada Class) compared to the HDW 214. The Amur-Lada may be the closest representation available of what the Kalina may look like. (Diagram courtesy of http://cintabelanegara.blogspot.com.au/search?q=amur+1650 )

Russia hopes that it could develop the 4th generation Lada-Amur class have been discontinued because Russia has been unable to develop satisfactory air independent propulsion (AIP).

Ladas have failed as a new class as they have no AIP. This makes prospects for an Amur class from dim to nil.

January 2016 reports from Russia are that Russian AIP (essential to market Amurs) has not been developed hence additional Ladas (after L2 and L3) and any export Amurs will no longer be built. Prospective Amur customers have probably been offered the existing Improved Kilo (636) class instead. This is assuming customers would not accept a Russian offer of a future "fifth generation" Kalina class SSK - with the Kalinas only likely to be operational (with AIP) in the Russian Navy in the mid 2020s.

Kalina Background

On March 19, 2014 Admiral Viktor Chirkov, Commander of the Russian Navy, announced the future development of a Fifth Generation conventional diesel-electric submarine, dubbed Project Kalina. The Kalina Class submarines would be fitted with an air-independent propulsion (AIP) system. Russia’s Rubin Design Bureau expected the Kalina design to be completed by 2017 and perhaps the first Kalina to be fitted with AIP by 2018. But launch in the early 2020s is more likely.

Given China’s earlier interest in buying four Ladas China may be the first customer for Kalina Class submarines. These largely marketing statements for the Kalina Class provide a timely opportunity to look back at Russia's post World War Two conventional submarine development.

In information on Russia’s Rubin Design Bureau website – at http://www.ckb-rubin.ru/en/projects/naval_engineering/conventional_submarines/ Russia’s post World War evolution of conventional diesel-electric submarines includes five generations:

First Generation - Whiskey Class (Project 613), Zulu Class (Project 611) and Foxtrot Class (Project 641) - all heavily influenced by the most advanced World War Two German submarines

Second Generation – the ocean going Tango Class (Project 641B).

Third Generation – Kilo (Project 877 and 636). The first Kilo (of the Project 877 series) was commissioned into the Soviet Navy in 1980. Production of 877s continued until 1999. Upgrades, particularly adding Club missile capability continue. Commissiong of the first Improved Kilo (of the Project 636 series) was in 1997 with the first boat going to China. Production of new 636s continues with orders up to 2016.

Fourth Generation – Lada Class (Project 677) – also marketed as the Amur 1650 and smaller Amur 950.
The first and only submarine of the Lada Class, was the St. Petersburg (lets call it Lada 1). Lada 1 entered sea trials in 2004 but has proven unsuccessful due to propulsion and other problems, which may include or explain lack of AIP. Lada 1's displacement is 25% lower than submarines of the preceding Kilo Class submarine. Significantly two other submarines in the Lada Class (lets call them Lada 2 and 3) are partly built - but with no AIP. 

Fifth Generation – future Kalina Class (the future first of class can be called Kalina 1). Kalina 1 may be ready for trials after 2020 fitted with Russian AIP (when developed) or retrofitted with AIP.

Russian AIP

Russia is far behind Western countries in actually deploying AIP systems. Those Western countries are Sweden, Germany, Italy, France, Japan, Singapore and South Korea (other European countries?). Pakistan also has AIP (French MESMA).

Comment - It appears that Russia is not developing AIP for its own submarine corps but instead is devoting more resources to build up its nuclear propelled SSNs and SSBNs (with nuclear being the ultimate AIP). Customers have restricted their purchases to non-AIP Kilos - that are less expensive and less technically risky than AIP Ladas. It will be interesting if the Lada-Amurs or future Kalina sells - we are talking years.

Connect With:

Russian Submarine Development, Rubin Designer’s Views, January 23, 2014 http://gentleseas.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/russian-submarine-development-rubin.html

China’s Yuan Class Submarine Related to Russia’s Kilo and Possibly Lada Classes, April 7, 2012,  http://gentleseas.blogspot.com.au/2010/09/chinas-yuan-class-submarine-related-to.html

Pete

February 20, 2014

Indonesia to build a Chang Bogo Submarine and Uncertainty


Numbers of Attack Submarines in 2009 (orange blocks) and Projected for 2025 (red blocks). Note key Indonesian politicians and admirals project 12 Indonesian submarines by 2025.
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Model of a DSME Chang Bogo (Type 209) Submarine. Indonesia is buying three from South Korea's DSME. One of  the three will be built at PT PAL’s shipyard at Surabaya, East Java, Indonesia.


PETE'S COMMENT

The Jakarta Post  has reported that Indonesia's third (Improved) Chang Bogo (Type 209) Class submarine (lets call it "Submarine 3") will not be built in South Korea but at PT PAL’s shipyard at Surabaya, East Java, Indonesia. In the Jakarta Post article comments by Indonesia Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro then carry the possibility that Indonesia's other nine (Submarines 4 to 12) might also be Indonesian built. Please connect with Submarine Matters'  Indonesia Revisits Buying Kilos and Indonesia Decides to By Korean Made. and most recently:

South Korean Submarines, 3,000+ ton KSS-III, Nuclear Potential of April 16, 2014 which comments on Chang Bogo's South Korea has built for its own Navy and for Indonesia.

ARTICLES

The Jakarta Post article, February 18, 2014  http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/02/18/pt-pal-gets-more-funds-build-submarine.html reads:

"PT PAL gets more funds to build submarine 
The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | National | Tue, February 18 2014, 9:54 AM

The House of Representatives’ Commission I has approved the disbursement of US$250 million this year to state-owned shipyard PT PAL to build the country’s first submarine with technical assistance from South Korea.
Commission I deputy chairman TB Hasanuddin said that the construction would start in April.
Indonesia signed a contract in 2011 with Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering (DSME) to build three submarines worth some $1.07 billion. Two will be built in Korea while the third will be built in PT PAL’s facilities in Surabaya, East Java.
The contract requires that the work starts in Surabaya by November at the latest otherwise the contract will be void and the third one has to be built in Korea.
“We approved the plan and appointed the Finance Ministry to channel the funding to PT PAL through the State-Owned Enterprise Ministry as bridging finance,” Hasanuddin said in a coordination meeting with several ministries, the Navy and the Army on Monday afternoon.
PT PAL needs the additional capital not only to improve its financial position but also to acquire specialized equipment to build submarines. The company has the capability to build surface ships but not submarines. 
Deputy Finance Minister Bambang Brodjonegoro said the funds would be injected as state capital (PMN) over three years.
He said the government would disburse $180 million this year consisting of $30 million for consultation costs and $150 million for infrastructure. The remaining $70 million is for personnel.
Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro said that that the PMN would have value-added benefits for the local defense industry, including the ability to meet the need for 12 submarines by the Navy to ensure adequate defense.
Purnomo added that the South Korean technical assistance had begun in 2013, with the sending of Indonesian engineers to that country to learn the techniques of submarine manufacturing.
“The third one will be constructed by 200 Indonesian engineers and under the supervision of DSME,” he said.
“There will be a transfer of technology in this project.”
Previously, Navy chief of staff Adm. Marsetio said that Indonesia currently had two German-made submarines, KRI Cakra and KRI Nenggala, which were built in the 1980s. They will be decommissioned in 2020. (gda/nvn)"

A further Jakarta Post article, February 20, 2014 http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/02/20/local-weapons-ramped.html provides additional information:

"...The work on [Submarine 3] will start in 2015, it is slated for completion in 2018 [probably by 2020, not "2018"]....Despite the order of three submarines from Korea, [Defense Industry Policy Committee (KKIP)] implementation team head, Adm. (ret) Sumardjono said that Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro had also set a policy to procure Kilo-class submarines from Russia in motion.

“This is a stop-gap measure as we need 12 submarines to safeguard our waters,” he said.”

FURTHER COMMENT

In terms of economies-of-scale its logical that if/when PT PAL and DSME build a Chang Bogo (Submarine 3) in Surabaya that this would be the beginning of a production run of additional Indonesia built Chang Bogos. But Indonesia appears to be encouraging uncertainty through also negotiating with Russia for new or used Kilos. 

In a confusing way Indonesia appears to be seeking better price, credit and commission deals from South Korea (the logical choice for Submarines 4 to 12) and from Russia (perhaps the less likely choice for Submarines 4 to 12). 
Pete