Life beneath the waves in the Soryu submarine.
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Diagram of a Soryu Command Center (or Control Room) from Ships of the World Vol. 713, page 96 (Courtesy http://blog.livedoor.jp/wispywood2344/others/Soryu_Control_Room.png)
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Diagram of a Soryu Command Center (or Control Room) from Ships of the World Vol. 713, page 96 (Courtesy http://blog.livedoor.jp/wispywood2344/others/Soryu_Control_Room.png)
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A friend has kindly provided an English translation of the subtitles in the above Youtube.
The
Soryu submarine, where most of the action takes place, is Zuiryu “Auspicious Dragon”. It is the fifth Soryu built, hence designated SS-505. It has lead-acid batteries
and Stirling engine AIP. It was laid down March 2009, launched October 2011 at MHI
and commissioned into the Japanese Navy (JMSDF) in March 6, 2013
see “Soryu
Table”. It is homeported at the Japanese Navy's main base at Yokosuka.
The only non-Soryu action is a 60th Anniversary of JMSDF Submarine Fleet ceremony, held at Yokosuka Naval Base, with submarine naval officers attending. Vice Admiral Doman Seiichi, Commander Submarine Force, gives a speech.
The only non-Soryu action is a 60th Anniversary of JMSDF Submarine Fleet ceremony, held at Yokosuka Naval Base, with submarine naval officers attending. Vice Admiral Doman Seiichi, Commander Submarine Force, gives a speech.
Scene - In the tight confines of a submarine dwell 65 souls (9 officers, 56 men). They take a female reporter out for the day. Note - Japanese submarines are usually an all male preserve.
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Speaker and What he/she/they Said
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0:05
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Reporter: Ah!
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0:12-0:22
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Reporter: Thank you. Oh
Great. Now, we are offshore. Numbers
of ships are becoming less.
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Captain Ryu Moriyasu: Yes.
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0:25-0:58
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Narrator: A jet back mass
with a cloud of white smoke sails the sea. This is the latest class of submarine,
a [Soryu specifically the] Zuiryu. Its maximum width is 9.1, and length is
84m. Building cost is more than 50 billion yen [A$600 million]. Zuiryu
commissioned three years ago. Zuiryu rarely conducts activities such as
disaster relief or life-saving. It is a weapon just for attack.
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1:05-1:20
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Narrator: Submarine
conducts secretly mission in the deep sea. We are allowed to accompany with
training of submarine. This is the first TV filming of Soryu-class submarine
training.
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1:24-1:35
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Narrator: First, we went
section called “Control Room”. We can see a row of instruments and monitors,
filming of them is rarely permitted.
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1:39
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Captain: To the mast. Dive!
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1:40
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Crew: Dive. Dive.
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1:47-1:50
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Narration: Suddenly, something
happens in the ship.
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1:55-2:05
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Reporter: Ship is
inclined. It is quite inclined to the front.
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Captain: It is going more
inclined.
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Reporter: My body is
nearly moving. I feel to be powerfully pushed to the front.
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2:07-2:09
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Narrator: Because the submarine
starts deep diving for training.
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2:14-2:20
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Narrator: This is footage
from camera set out side of the submarine under the special permission.
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2:35-2:43
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Narrator: The submarine
has no windows. After submerging, they hear sound and detect abnormality.
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2:46-2:53
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Reporter: We already
submerged deep. In this submerged situation, training is going to be carried
out.
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2:56-3:05
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Narrator: Under the red
light, combat training is carried out. One word perfectly changed tense and
quite atmosphere.
Soryu's Command Center area, drive/sonars/combat system etc. Darkened for security. Note chairs on rails.
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3:06-3:08
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Sonar man: Detected sound.
Hundred twenty degree.
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3:10-3:21
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Narrator: Sonar man
checking sound in the sea detected the warship. They say, if it is enemy,
they will conduct preemptive attack before being detected. Immediately,
Captain starts action.
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3:22-3:28
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Crew: We get in the
position.
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Captain: Roger. Get in the
position. Prepare training torpedo warfare
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Crew: Get in the position.
Prepare training torpedo warfare.
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Crew: Prepared the
position related to launch control.
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3:28-3:35
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Narrator: The they
identify (the warship) whether it is all or enemy by such as huge date
accumulated in the latest computer
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3:38-3:49
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Reporter: Captain check
and confirm the monitors, and gives direction. He does not look actually nor
use periscope.
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3:49-3:50
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Crew: Yosoro (=go forward
as-is). Yosoro. Yosoro. Captain: (unclear)180 degree stop.
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3:51-4:00
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Narrator: If submerged
deeply, the periscope cannot be used. Is target ally or enemy?
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4:03-4:12
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Crew: Currently detected
the ship in 120 degree direction.
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Captain: We will conduct
torpedo attack against this target.
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4:13-4:26
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Narrator: Captain assumed
this target as enemy and ordered torpedo attack.
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Crew: Prepared No.3 and
N.4 torpedo tube for firing.
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Captain: Roger.
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Crew: We will fire No.3
torpedo, fire prepared.
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Crew: Fire
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Crew: Ute (fire).
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4:29-4:50
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Narrator: Emergency
situation is assumed for most of trainings. In the deep sea, such a secret
training was conducted. In submerging, generally, they do not communicate
outside. Decision whether attack or not is depends of only Captains
judgement.
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4:53-4:56
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Narrator: Next we went
here
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4:58-5:03
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Captain: Curtains are set.
There are [Japanese built Type 89] torpedoes opposite side of the curtains. [No picture of Type 89, even on Wikipedia!]
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5:03-5:10
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Reporter: I understand.
Can’t we film these, we can?
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Captain: No.
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Reporter: Wow. Torpedoes!
Exactly.
Periscope area in Command Center
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5:12-5:14
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Narrator: This is a
section for torpedo firing.
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5:17-5:46
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Reporter: Have you ever
fired torpedo?
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Captain: Yes. But, we have
not fired live ammunition against the target.
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Reporter: Actually, you
will fire such a huge torpedo against something. In this meaning, do you feel
scar on firing?
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Captain: Rather scary, we
must avoid to fire (torpedo) against wrong target. So we are very careful in
this point.
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5:48-5:59
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Narrator: Attack secretly
enemy. To improve this ability, in the latest submarine, there are many
equipment different from those of existing submarine
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6:00
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Caption: Equipment of
latest submarine
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6:05-6:27
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Reporter: This is cockpit.
In the cockpit of Oyashio-class which I boarded before, back and forth
operation of handlebars was conducted. In this submarine, they adopted sticks
operated by right and left hands.
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6:29-6:57
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Narrator: By these control
sticks, they move X-shaped rudders in the stern.
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In the existing submarine,
they decided the upper-lower and left- right directions by cross-shaped
rudders. Contrary, in the new submarine, X-shaped rudders move independently
and provide sharper maneuverability.
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7:00-7:25
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Narrator: There are
another modifications. We went to AIP section. Actually, new engines called
AIP were equipped inside of the boxes. We cannot film AIP, because it is defense
secret.
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7:26-7:36
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Reporter: I can see thick
tube in the back and arrays of small valves. Bub, it does not look like
engine at first glance.
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7:38-7:43
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Narrator: This is what is
the maximum features of the latest submarine.
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7:46-8:09
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Narrator: The existing
submarine, there is need to take in air to charge the batteries. But,
surfacing has a risk to be detected. The new engine need not taking in air
and provides significantly longer submerged period.
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8:10-8:16
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Captain: Surfacing
provides risk of detection by radar, but now we can avoid such risk.
Stirling AIP section --- |
8:17-8:21
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Narrator: On the other
hand, there is price to pay.
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8:23
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Caption Unknown life in
submarine.
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8:31-8:34
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Reporter: Same as always,
steep and narrow stairs. (she used to visit Oyashio-class).
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8:38-8:54
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Reporter: Look at this. I
am surprised. Beds are set just next corridor. One, two, three, it is
three-stage bed. This is extremely narrow corridor. Thus tee beds are placed
along parallel to corridor.
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8:56-9:06
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Narrator: Shower and WS
are set in the back of 3 tier bunks. Private space of crew is limited to the
bunkbed.
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9:10-9:29
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Reporter: It looks
extremely cramped, doesn’t it?
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Crew: Yes
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Reporter: Wow
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Crew: It has become
smaller.
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Reporter: As expected, smaller
than in the preceding Oyashio class submarines?
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Crew: Yes
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Reporter: Where are your
personal belongings?
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Crew: Belongings
compartment is under the bed.
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Reporter: Are your
belongings in this compartment?
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Crew: Yes. Because only
this can be locked space.
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Reporter: My legs become
high.
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9:30-9:39
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Narrator: Actually. Equipment
of the new engine AIP makes living space small.
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Reporter: OMG. It is
terrible feeling of pressure.
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9:41-9:56
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Reporter: Why do they
lengthen submarine?
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Captain: If the size (of
submarine) become bigger, it become more likely to be detected by the enemy
and become more expensive, and so on. So they make submarine compact.
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9:58-10:27
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Narrator: It is not only
tightness that submariners who engage in long submerged mission must
acclimatize. You can use shower only once in every three days. Because, in addition
to saving water and not making a sound as much as possible. Crews are obliged
to wear headphones for watching for TV or DVD, because leaking sound provides
a risk to be detected.
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10:28-10:34
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Reporter: Now, one after
another, crews walk down the stairs and enter this room. I will follow them.
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10:40-10:42
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Reporter: A good smell.
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10:44-10:50
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Narrator: Drinking and
smoking are prohibited inside of submarine. Only pleasure is a meal.
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10:54-10:58
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Reporter: Hmmmm. It is
yummy.
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11:01-11:04
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Narrator: A crew member cannot give details of his mission to his family. How do they think their mission?
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11:07-11:09
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Reporter: Don’t you feel
scaring in sailing?
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11:10-11:21
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Crew: We convince the
scarring mission, rather, my parents or wife worry about mission, because it
is very unclear.
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11:21-11:30
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Crew: We cannot tell
returning date, so, we can only tell “not worry, and wait”, though I do not
have a girlfriend.
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11:30-11:34
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Reporter and other
crews---laughter
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Reporter: How can you
speak like that?
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Crew: If I have a girlfriend,
I would say like that.
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11:37-11:38
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Crew: We work for 6 hours
and then take for 12 hours.
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11:38-11:42
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Narrator: Then crews start
to confess their feeling.
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11:44-11:49
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Crew: I think smaller
number of our sailing means more peaceful Japan.
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11:50-11:51
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Reporter: As expect, does
the number increase?
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11:52-11:53
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Crew: Mmmmm.
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11:56-11:59
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Crew: I just feel increase
in number of training.
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12:01-12:04
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Reporter: What happens? I
cannot perceive it at all.
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12:05
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Caption - The 60th
Anniversary of JMSDF Submarine Fleet Founding at Yakosuka base
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12:11-12:20
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Narrator: Japan started
operation of submarine 100 years ago. Tension of situation of East Asia is
increasing.
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12:22-12:31
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Commander of submarine
fleet of JMSDF, Vice-admiral Doman Seiichi. As military environment surround
our county is increasingly severe, further improvement in deterrence is
required under the new security legislation guide line.
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12:34-12:49
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Narrator: Currently, 16
submarines engage in defense of Japan. Government aims to proceed with
building of latest submarines, and finally to increase to 22 submarines.
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Just for interest here is an Australian Youtube mainly featuring Rear Admiral (retd) Rowan Moffitt (former Head, Future Submarines Program, RAN and other RAN commands).
Pete
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25 comments:
Hi Pete
7:00-7:25 We can film AIP, -- > We cannot film AIP,
Regards
Thanks Anonymous.
I've altered the text accordingly.
Regards
Pete
Hi pete.
I've got a schematic diagram of Soryus' control room, and added some annotations in it.
http://blog.livedoor.jp/wispywood2344/others/Soryu_Control_Room.png
Just for your information.
Regards
Wispywood2344
Interesting comment at the end in the Australian section - which confusingly jumps from inside a Collins during refit
to the shipyard welding for an AAW destroyer- that none of the Collins problems resulted from Australian workmanship. Which is true in the sense the original combat system software, written by Australians, is no longer used, and was recognized as unusable.
Hi Ztev
Yes they should have had the Admiral presenting all the way through, without the jumps to Ludlam.
Regards
Pete
Hi Wispywood2344 [at 10/3/16 12:19AM]
Thanks for http://blog.livedoor.jp/wispywood2344/others/Soryu_Control_Room.png
I'll use that in the Sub Matters article.
Regards
Pete
Just another comment about RADM Moffit, according to his his naval bio, hes a destroyer guy and isnt really a submarine expert at all.
http://www.navy.gov.au/biography/rear-admiral-rowan-carlisle-moffitt
He seems to have had an outstanding naval career and retired from active service as Deputy chief of navy.
I would think his particular expertise for the Sub program was in management rather that submarine operations.
The US and British navy had no shortage of submariners reaching the very top ( eg current US CNO is a sub expert) but has the RAN had the same career path for its sub officers. Or is that another one of the side effects of the Collins 'fragility', very capable men stay well clear .
Ive just looked at the current leadership group who are RADM or higher, and engineering, mine clearance, aviation as well as surface ships are all represented. No submariners ? Looking back to the period of the Oberons were in service, none have made Chief of navy even though subs have been a large part of the fleet.
the CWO of the navy started as a submariner.
Hi Ztev
It is unclear but this may be Australia's de facto leadership regarding the Future Submarine http://gentleseas.blogspot.com.au/2015/10/significance-of-another-american.html . The Americans have much more experience running successful submarine programs (Virginias, Los Angeles, Ohios also Seawolfs (though the Soviet collapse curtailed the Seawolf Program)) than us Aussies or Brits.
Greg Sammut http://www.defence.gov.au/casg/Multimedia/RADM_Gregory_Sammut_bio_Accessible-9-7319.pdf is a former submarine commander and may be Australia's senior submariner. He is also involved with the future sub.
Regards
Pete
Hi Pete
The noise of AIP is louder than I expected, and it may become finger print. Because of its low power, noise and complex maneuver, abolishment of AIP is right decision. Combination of quicker charging by new snorkel generation system and higher energy density of LIBs provides better submerging performance such as longer silent running period and higher submerging speed. JMSDF should have abolished AIP and adopted LIBs few years ago.
Regards
S
Dear S,
There are other AIPs that have nearly no moving parts and therefore are not noisy at all. A fuel cell just needs small fuel pumps. A sterling engine just like the MESMA concept is as loud as a normal engine with equivalent power.
Regards,
MHalblaub
Dear Pete,
I noticed some small things.
At 6:29 about the rudder controls. The helmsman is always at the control stick. On a German video about the Type 212 the helmsman's answer was about how the submarine is steered: "The computer does it. I set the bearing and the computer does the rest. The stick is in case the computer does not work."
Most interesting part is the answer by the captain at 9:41.
Here is a noise comparison between an running diesel on a Type 212A and the fuel cell AIP starting at 2:30.
https://youtu.be/u8QKbeS-flM (The movie is in English but bad quality)
Regards,
MHalblaub
P.S. Maybe I'll find some interesting video about Type 212 in German worthwhile to translate a bit.
Hi MHalblaub [at 11/3/16 5:45 AM]
Yes very recent Youtubes of 212s, Dolphins or the latest 209s (where there is no English commentary or English subtitles) may be worthwhile translating.
https://youtu.be/u8QKbeS-flM is very good though. It shows what the latest AIP - the German fuel cell - can do.
To meet the increased needs for Australian submarine discretion having LIBs and also the latest AIP may be vital. As you say Stirling and MESMA AIP may be too noisy and may suffer the maintenance risks inherent in having moving parts.
Australian subs on LIBs (maybe only capable of 2 weeks submerged) might be sunk if they need to snort in the South China Sea (SCS), This is because China is building up fixed and mobile ASW sensors in that Sea.
Snorting in the SCS may be increasingly risky for Australia's extra-ordinarily large Collins and future submarines.
What about:
- 12 x 210s (with lower torpedo armament to pack in more intelligence gathering capability) and
- 12 large UUVs (launched/shipped/air-dropped/or 210 towed) from norther Australia?
Regards
Pete
P.S. Hi MHalblaub
Here's one of my large UUVs
"The 51-foot Echo Voyager requires no on-board crew, and can operate autonomously for months at a time, thanks to a hybrid rechargeable power system. Photo courtesy Boeing"
at http://www.seattlepi.com/local/science/article/Boeing-rolls-out-new-unmanned-autonomous-6882408.php
Just imagine how advanced and more operationally capable UUVs will be in 10 years time for the critical and probably much more frequent intelligence gathering function. Submarine crews lives will be saved - as they won't be risked travelling too close to advanced military powers.
Regards
Pete
Hi Pete, MHalblaub and other people
I am awfully sorry. I found official evidence [1] that floating deck was adopted for AIP section of Soryu. So I correct comment (10/3/16 10:03 PM) as follows.
Before correction.
The noise of AIP is louder than I expected, and it may become finger print. Because of its low power, noise and complex maneuver, abolishment of AIP is right decision. Combination of quicker charging by new snorkel generation system and higher energy density of LIBs provides better submerging performance such as longer silent running period and higher submerging speed. JMSDF should have abolished AIP and adopted LIBs few years ago.
After correction
The noise of AIP is lower than talking, but is louder than I expected. The floating deck is adopted for the AIP sections in Soryu, and isolates effectively vibration of AIP from hull. Because of its low power and complex maneuver, abolishment of AIP is right decision. The new snorkel generation system is expected to have improved performance such as quicker charging and lower noise/vibration. Combination of the improved performance of the new snorkel generation system and higher energy density of LIBs provides better submerging performance such as longer silent running period and higher submerging speed. JMSDF should have abolished AIP and adopted LIBs few years ago.
Again sorry
[1] “The history of our submarine-stronger, longer time, more quiet-” by JMSDF
Regards
S
Hi S and Wispywood2344
I remember the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and Tsunami which killed more than 18,000 Japanese people - just over five years ago.
A terrible thing to happen.
Pete
Hi Pete
Thank you for your consideration
Regardss
S
Our friend from Germany claims that the Sterling engine is as loud as a diesel engine. I don't know where he got that idea from.
The reason you want to avoid to snorkelling isn't just because you will be close to the surface but mainly you would have to use the very loud diesel engines. Running around in the depths with loud AIP engines would be totally useless.
You can check the noise level for example in this documentary (4 parts in Youtube) about Swedish subs from the late 80s/early 90s. Even though the video it self has problems with the sound level, you can check for example around 5:40, from a test rig at Kockums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4jgCXs3Mhw
Another, newer example, you can find in the end of the video in this article.
http://www.svd.se/fakta-klarar-tva-veckor-i-undervattenslage/om/svenska-ubatsprogrammet
/C
Hi Pete
Just few hours ago, REUTERS JPN (14/Mar/2016) reported that France sent the biggest delegation of companies to Canberra in twenty year. The delegation will reach the Capital tomorrow. According to REUTERS JPN, it had reported Germany losing support in this January, because of high risk by growth in size.
I appreciate German submarine, and I do not think it is bad. Perhaps, the CEP experts have different idea or secret information which we do not perceive. And REUTERS does not always provide right information.
I do not think US well come French submarine. Anyway CEP will show the conclusion in this year.
Regards
S
Correction
I do not think US well come French submarine--- > I do not think US welcome French submarine
Hi Pete
Four years ago, MOD introduced history of Japanese submarine after the world war II in its annual symposium [1]. MOD showed that Japanese submarines had been experienced continuous improvement for three directions, i.e., “Stronger”, “Longer”, “More Silent”. The designing considerations for Soryu were listed as follows:
”Longer”
Power & propulsion: second battery, AIP, generator
Environment: air cleaning, living accommodation
“More silent”
Stealth: reduction of underwater radiation noise, acoustic stealth, radar stealth, magnetic stealth
Configuration & equipment: noise reduction, vibration control supporting, propeller
“Stronger”
Systemization: weapon control, submarine control
Underwater weapon: sonar, torpedo tube, periscope
Navigation communication: navigation device, communication device, information communication.
Motion performance: rudder, various tanks, propeller
[1] http://www.mod.go.jp/trdi/research/dts2012/R2-2p.pdf (Japanese) “History of submarine in our country –stronger, longer, more silent-“ Defense Technology Symposium 2012 by MOD. This short pater is interesting, but, we can find only figures and picture in web.
Regards
S
Hi S
Thanks for http://www.mod.go.jp/trdi/research/dts2012/R2-2p.pdf . I used a free online PDF to HTML converter. Then right click mouse "Translate to English". Still a mixture of pictures and Japanese langauge but more English than before.
Actually there is a similar (but fully English) graph at the beginning of http://gentleseas.blogspot.com.au/2015/01/history-of-japanese-submarine-after-wwii.html with date, name and tonnage of all post WW2 Japanese submarines. Then much more data and photos further down in that multi-page length Submarine Matters article.
Regards
Pete
Hi Pete
I will introduce the said paper as follows.
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Title
History of submarine in our country - stronger, longer, more silent -
Author
Toru Sato (Department of Naval Systems Development, Technical Research and Development Institute, of Ministry of Defense:
Feature
The history of submarine built after WWII in our country will be reviewed from a technical standpoint.
Abstract
JMSDF has built about 50 submarines from the first Oyashio-class which was first domestic submarine to latest Soryu-class.
In even just hull form, from 1956 to1966, the first Oyasho-, Hayashio- and Ohshio-class, which were underwater cruising-oriented submarines based on the pre WWII hull form, were built. From 1967, Uzushio-, Yushio-and Harushio-class with tear drop shaped hull, which were underwater speed-oriented, were continuously built. From 1993 to present (2012), cigar shaped hull with partial single hull structure was adopted.
All that time, various technical evolutions have been experienced, i.e., increase in submerged depth by improvement of steel, welding technology and others; improvement of battery performance; extension of submerged period by equipment of AIP and others; equipment of TASS and flank array sonar; improvement of sonar search and detection attack abilities by increase in processing speed; reduction of underwater radiation noise by reduction of equipments and adoption of damping alloy and material.
Our submarines have continuously evolved depending on the operation aspects, considering request of operators and taking in latest technology. If we express the directions of the evolution, they will be “stronger”, “longer” and “more silent”.
On that day, from a technical standpoint, all submarines of JMSDF will be visually introduced.
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Many people think short commission period of Japanese submarine is due to its short life time caused by degradation, fatigue, corrosion, and so on. But they are perfectly wrong, the short commission period results from require for continuous evolution. From standpoint of material science and design, designing and building of the weak structure which regularly degrades within defined period are much more difficult than those of the strong structure. In the former structure, perfect control and insight of key elements including prediction of future warfare, which are extremely difficult, is needed. As Japan unfortunately has not such high technology and insight, it can only build the strong structure.
Regards
S
Hi S [at 15/3/16 9:27 PM]
Thanks for Toru Sato's article.
I will base an article on it tommorow (Wednesday)
Regards
Pete
Hi Pete,
Very rare and interesting video of the Soryu indeed, and good work on the translation! The featured sub SS-505 Zuiryu 瑞竜 is the "Auspicious Dragon". The " Sword Dragon " is the preceeding boat SS-504 Kenryu 剣竜.
Cheers,
Supernova / Full Frame
Thanks Supernova (from Full Frame)
I've changed the text and hereby made Zuiryu Dragon "Auspicious"
Regards
Pete
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