October 10, 2015

PM's Wife Honorary President, German-Australian Chamber of Industry and Commerce

Stand for TKMS at PACIFIC 2015 as depicted on the German-Australian Chamber of Industry and Commerce website, 8 October 2015 "This year’s biennial Pacific International Maritime Exposition garnered an intense international interest driven by the Future Australian Submarine and Frigate programs as well as other programs to upgrade Australia’s naval capabilities." (Photo and description courtesy German-Australian Chamber of Industry and Commerce http://australien.ahk.de/en/news-pr/news-single-view/artikel/pacific-2015/?cHash=37846a657255a170515190aad8a3463c).

That the wife of Australia's Prime Minister is Honorary President of the German-Australian Chamber of Industry and Commerce has no bearing on Prime Ministerial or Defence Department decision making for what is Australia's largest defence acquistion competition. Germany is one of the three competitors.

Large German company ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) is offering the Type 216 submarine to Australia. "ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems Australia Pty Ltd" is listed as a Member of the German-Australian Chamber of Industry and Commerce in its "Member Directory" (see under "T" or "Thyssen" http://australien.ahk.de/en/members/member-directory/?no_cache=1 ).

There is no evident concern from the other two competitors (Japan and France) in the multi $Billion Australia future submarine (Project SEA 1000) contest.

It is unclear whether office holders have similar roles in any Australian-France or Australian-Japanese Chambers of Commerce.

Perhaps TKMS has already won, or lost, anyway?

As at [April 22, 2016] the website of the German-Australian Chamber of Industry and Commerce "Board of Directors" listed major office holders http://australien.ahk.de/en/about-us/board-of-directors/ including :

"Patron / Schirmherr:

  H.E. Dr Christoph Müller 

  Ambassador of the Federal Republic of Germany
President / Präsident:

  Ms Lucy Hughes Turnbull AO
  Turnbull & Partners Pty Ltd

Vice-President / Vizepräsident:

  Mr Paul G Koenig 

  European Australian Advisory Group
Vice-President / Vizepräsident:
  Dr Wolfgang Babeck
  Buse Heberer Fromm"

The "About us" section of the  of the German-Australian Chamber of Industry and Commerce indicates http://australien.ahk.de/en/about-us/ :

"AHK Australia - First Port of Call

Since its foundation in 1977 the German-Australian Chamber of Industry and Commerce (AHK) has become an important partner in fostering bilateral trade between Germany and Australia.
One of our main objectives is to advise German and Australian companies on market development and to support them in the initiation of business relations.
The Chamber is a membership organisation which offers an extensive networking platform; our know-how combined with the expertise of our partners makes us a strong and competent partner for all your business needs.
Our members come from a diverse group of industries. Membership is available to every (international) company involved in business relations between Germany and Australia."


Anonymous said...

Even in the White House, a POTUS may end up sleeping on the couch (according to his own words).

Arpit Kanodia said...

Hi Pete,

Maybe you didn't noticed this

Maybe, P-75I is already scrapped, and unofficially this order already given to French.

Maybe in offset to this, French are helping in 2500-3000 tonne hunter killer SSN using scorpene hull. French and American help also required in circular Sonars, instead of cylindrical sonar right now exist in INS Arihant.

Peter Coates said...

Hi Julien Araneta, Anonymous and S

I've moved your comments relating to the Japanese campaign to new post http://gentleseas.blogspot.com.au/2015/10/japan-fine-tuning-campaign-for.html so your comments can be better addressed.



Peter Coates said...

Hi Arpit Kanodia

Yes I noticed http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/4-More-French-Submarines-to-Meet-Indian-Navy%E2%80%99s-Requirement/2015/10/06/article3064871.ece . I did not know whether it was official policy or an Indian buying tactic to get a better deal from non-French vendoes for Project-75(I for India).

Certainly it will confuse Project-75(I). Also France and DRDO have no matured second generation AIP while Sweden (offering A26) and TKMS (214) have mature second generation AIP.

Yes France would likely be offering technology from its 2500-3000 tonne Rubis SSN and future Barracuda SSN. I don't know about US

Also see http://gentleseas.blogspot.com.au/2015/09/us-and-france-in-talks-with-india-to.html concerning US and French assistance to India to build SSNs.



Common Sense said...

Hi Pete,

I think the rationale for the additional Scorpenes as stated by the Indian Defence Minister was to ensure that Mazagon Docks, the builder, doesn't lose its expertise yet again. I've heard (off the record), that sections of the Indian Navy establishment resent the impact that HDW bribery scandal had on the Indian Navy. While India could have had the largest fleet of reliable Type-209 boats, its stuck with only 4 and had to resort to the Russian Kilo (not particularly well liked).

I don't think additional Scorpenes are a buying tactic as any shipbuilder that is selected will most likely have to install new technology, recruit/train personnel and of course, have new suppliers. You avoid that whole problem if you go the Scorpene route. So yes, it kind of kills the P-75I at birth.