February 6, 2017

February 2017 Report: Germany’s Joint Submarine Order Won the Norwegian Order

Germany's and Italy's Type 212 in action. One day Norway will join the exclusive 212 owners' club!
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6 comments:

ONeil Padilla said...

Thanks for that Pete,

The Norwegians chose well but not hardly surprising because of their History with Germans subs has been a very positive one.

I Still think the Swedes are chance with their A26 for Poland because SAAB are throwing in everything into it, even local construction as an incentive.

Could the Dutch go Japanese? SAAB once again teamed up with Damen to get leg up or some interest in their A26 design from the Dutch.

Time will tell.

Anonymous said...

Hi Pete

Which type of fuel cell will Type 212 for Noway equip with, methanol reformer or hydrogen gas cylinder?

Regards

Peter Coates said...

I've just been visiting Canberra, hence Submarine Matters has been a little quiet this week. Next week as busy as usual.

Pete

Peter Coates said...

Hi ONeil Padilla

Some good questions.

I've written a long answer as the next article.

Regards

Pete

Peter Coates said...

Hi Anonymous at 8/2/17 8:24 PM

I'm not certain whether any future Norwegain 212s would use advanced 2nd or 3rd generation AIP

OR

the existing AIP arrangement on the 212As. For idea of existing see
- sub-heading "Fuel cell systerms - German PEM" http://gentleseas.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/air-independent-propulsion-aip.html

and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_212_submarine#AIP

Regards

Pete

MHalblaub said...

Dear Anonymous,

Daimler-Benz already had a methanol reformer based car in 2000:
http://www.hybrid-autos.info/Wasserstoff-Fahrzeuge/Mercedes/necar5-2000.html
The fuel cell type is independent of the way hydrogen is provided.
TKMS did already run trails with methanol reformer in 2009:
http://juser.fz-juelich.de/record/135470/files/HP4a_9_Krummrich_rev0605.pdf

Another solution could be a direct methanol fuel cell:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_methanol_fuel_cell
I'm not sure about how mature these cells are already and also how efficient these cells are. Efficiency is directly related to range or submerged time.

Regards,
MHalblaub