Hi Shawn. Regarding your 10/07/2024 9:04 PM comment:
“I reckon that ASC
could start contributing to the program early, perhaps by building hull modules
for all boats in Osborne as a 'sub-contractor' while Barrow focuses on building
the [reactor] rear half. Shipping by semi-submersible heavy lift ships should be no issue,
though an AUKUS escort task force will be necessary.”
The problems with such a proposal are many:
INTEGRATING US COMBAT SYSTEM FOR AUSTRALIA'S SSN-AUKUS
BAE would need to fully design the whole submarine, hull and contents
including integration of a future US combat system, which dictates hull dimensions, before the front hull could be constructed.
It is already a given that Australia will be using the future system, an evolution of the US developed AN/BYG-1 combat system, already used on the Collins. This allows current and future Australian submarines to interoperate with US submarines. The US being Australia’s closest ally.
The combat system are the weapons,
sensors, databases and other equipment used on current and future Australian
submarines. These need to be integrated, after probably more than 10 years of intense UK and US negotiations, within the Australian version SSN-AUKUS hull design. Taking even longer the US
might use the combat system solution for the post Virginia SSN(X) which may
only be designed by 2040.
See https://gdmissionsystems.com/shipboard-integration-and-combat-systems/tactical-control-systems
“General Dynamics Mission Systems develops the Tactical Control
System (TCS) for every submarine in the U.S. and Australian Navies. TCS
ingests data from all of the submarine’s sensor and communication systems to
provide a common operational picture. TCS provides sensor data fusion, target
motion analysis, tactical situational awareness and command decision tools to
enable the watch standers and commanding officers to execute their mission… General Dynamics
delivers TCS as part of the AN/BYG-1 combat system which integrates the
tactical control, weapons/payload control, information assurance and tactical
network subsystems.”
For the hardware weapons portion of the new combat system Australia might use a new (post-Virginia) vertical launch system (VLS), not even invented yet. This may be configured for larger hypersonic missiles than the Tomahawk standard used in the Virginias.
The post Virginia future SSN(X) Combat System which might be adopted for Australia’s version of the SSN-AUKUS may use taller US hypersonic missiles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-Range_Hypersonic_Weapon (currently of unknown length/height). They may require a larger beamed SSN-AUKUS than the UK version SSN-AUKUS.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSN(X)-class_submarine “The [US] Navy currently expects delivery of the first boat [SSN(X)] in 2042." This may dictate a later than 2042 design for the Australian version of the SSN-AUKUS.
FUTURE REACTOR OF UNKNOWN DIMENTIONS
The height/beam of the rear-reactor hull dictates the beam of the front half of the hull. This means front and rear hull need to be sized and fitted together in the UK before any Australian work could be done producing front hull sections.
A future and different version of the PWR3 (probably smaller than the Dreadnought SSBN's) needs to be built to squeeze into a SSN-AUKUS hull. Or, taking even longer, even a totally undeveloped PWR4 of unknown height dimensions would need to be totally designed and completed before the SSN-AUKUS’s forward hull could be designed.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_PWR#Future
SUBMARINE WORKFORCE TRAINING AND SCARCITY
Australia retired most of its specialist Collins submarine hull building workforce more than 20 years ago. Australia has no experience building hulls for nuclear submarines. I understand the latter hulls (including their constituent sections) have much tighter tolerances than needed for the Collins.
SSN-AUKUS hulls would also likely have to withstand deeper dives than Collins hulls. This might mean the pressure hull sections would be thicker and use different still alloys than Australia used for the Collins 2-3 decades ago.
A complete Australian hull building workforce would need to be trained up in Britain and/or British trainers come to Australia and/or a British workforce comes to Australia. But Britain has a hull building workforce shortage even for its through to 2040 Dreadnought SSBN project, let alone releasing large numbers of hull builder/trainers early for an Australian SSN-AUKUS hull building project. The UK has also had major problems keeping enough Astute SSNs operational which might be partially due to a shortage of submarine maintenance manpower.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadnought-class_submarine#Boats_of_the_class
The US also has severe submarine workforce shortages. Their highest priority is building Columbia-class SSBNs through to "2042". See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia-class_submarine This is partly why there are not enough workers for Virginia production, maintenance or repair or to work on the future SSN(X) project.
All pretty grim.
2 comments:
Hi Pete,
I was under the impression that the US was planning to accelerate Virginia production, as AUSTAL just started construction of a new module production facility.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/10/austal-usa-launches-construction-of-new-submarine-module-manufacturing-facility/
Also, not to give you a fit of jealousy, but Singapore just had a keel laying ceremony for the first MRCV. (https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/10/singapore-lays-keel-of-first-multi-role-combat-vessel/)
This project is actually ticking along at a fast pace. The design was selected in March 2023 and steel cutting began in March 2024. Looks like they will make the 2028 commission date for the first vessel, which remains unnamed.
Hi Shawn at 10/25/2024 6:21 PM
Sorry. I have only now discovered your comment as joint author (yours and Gessler's) comments don't come up on my email browser.
1. So... Since about 2005 the US has been "planning to accelerate Virginia production".
During the 1990s "peace dividend" (a defense budget saving reaction to the USSR and Warsaw Pact dissolution) the US sharply reduced SSN production and even retired perfectly good Los Angeles SSNs early to "save money."
So most of the US submarine building labor force was lost (1992-2002). The US never recovered that workforce to 1990 levels. Then Covid came along 2019-2022 upsetting GDEB and HII and the 1,000s of suppliers (of which AUSTAL is one) in the US nuc sub supply chain.
Then massive US spending on Ukraine (disrupting Russia) came along (2022) and then the US being the arsenal of Israeli forces (late 2023) has cost the US extra $Billions per month, if not weekly.
In all that Australia's $3 Billion gift to the US sub industrial base has changed nothing about the chronic sub supply chain problems alluded to above and see my https://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2024/11/the-day-before-us-election.html .
2. Yes I am indeed deeply jealous about Singaporean apolitical shipbuilding efficiency. Re: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/10/singapore-lays-keel-of-first-multi-role-combat-vessel/
Singapore continues to build ships (and have subs built in Germany) in a third of the time and a third of the cost of Australia's federal monetary bribe for South Australians to vote for whichever federal government is in power in Canberra. Basically South Australia is unviable economically without excessive infusions of federal money (on car factories, subs and ships - doesn't matter).
So I'm miffed :)
Cheers Pete
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