On March 19, 2024 Gessler, from India, commented:
"India has officially announced its test of an
improved Agni-5 ballistic missile (aka, the Agni-V ICBM) with Multiple Independently Targetable
Re-entry Vehicles (MIRVs) last week.
https://fas.org/publication/indian-test-launch-of-mirv-missile-latest-sign-of-emerging-nuclear-arms-race/ [This article indicates MIRVs can be very destabilising.]
They did not release any information regarding how
many re-entry vehicles this payload bus was tested with, but some defence
journalists are speculating it wouldn't be bigger than a 3 or 4-MIRV
configuration.
It serves to note that at least two Chinese
intelligence-gathering vessels were in the Indian Ocean Region during the
period when the Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) for the test was in effect.
One can't help but think back to the times when the
Americans and the Soviets used to launch SLBM tests from their submarines
when in positions where they can be assured that the other side gets a good
look at your nuclear delivery capabilities - so that the purpose of deterrence
is served.
I wonder when the MIRVed K5 SLBM will show up."
[Pete Comment - On K-5 SLBMs see https://asiapacificdefencereporter.com/agni-5-test-allows-india-to-deploy-mirv-equipped-sub-launched-ballistic-missiles/ . K-5s will need to be highly modified (down to the Trident II's 14m height) from the Agni-5's 18m height. 14m may be too tall to fit in India's small size Arihant class future S4 and S4* SSBNs. K-5 deployment may need to await the launch of India's full size SSBNs, the S5s, after 2030.]
FURTHER PETE COMMENT
India became a (then illegal) nuclear weapons state following its first nuclear test in 1974 under Russian protection. I mean
initially Russian protection prevented India’s main large enemy, China, from disrupting India’s nuclear weaponization. This was even though China had become a thermonuclear
state once China tested its first "3 stage" thermonuclear weapon in 1967. India then performed further nuclear tests in 1998 (code-named "Operation Shakti").
The general international response to Shakti
was initially condemnation. But once it was obvious India would not eliminate its nuclear arsenal Western powers generally accepted India as a semi-legal nuclear weapons power. Also
the West and Russia recognised much of India’s nuclear arsenal was aimed as the common opponent, China.
Where this is going is that part of the deal of
letting India into the nuclear club was that India would (and does) maintain a
low profile on its rising nuclear power. This profile serves two Western great power policies: not to openly reward India for breaking the nuclear proliferation taboo; and, not to encourage other countries to break this taboo.
One aspect of India's nuclear rise is India most
probably had two-stage thermonuclear weapons (not merely boosted fission) by the year 2000. Another is India’s
ability to MIRV its nuclear warheads. “The [MIRV] concept is almost invariably associated with intercontinental ballistic missiles carrying thermonuclear warheads”. MIRVS act as force multipliers for India’s
limited number of IRBMs and ICBMs aimed at China.
India can secretly “cold test” Russian provided two-stage thermonuclear designs with
confidence. This confidence is achieved using Indian computer simulations (matched to historical Soviet/Russian nuclear test results). But India cannot hide high altitude kinetic MIRV
tests from Chinese and Western sensors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap#Operational_history
Nuclear Capabilities Count Against Australia
Australia is becoming increasingly worried about its
isolated geographical and strategic position in the face of a changing nuclear
weapons' balance of power. There is a return of Russian aggression against the West
(seen in Ukraine) alongside Trump’s Russian friendly world view. China’s
nuclear arsenal is expanding and gaining in quality, particularly in hypersonic
warheads.
India's nuclear arsenal remains non-aligned. India
has longer been close to the USSR/Russia on nuclear issues (eg. SSN training) than a cautious friend of the West. In the next 2 decades India may become
so powerful (economically and strategically) in the India Ocean that countries
on that ocean rim might be guided by Indian wishes.
In the face of increasing nuclear isolation, part of Australia’s decision to rely on AUKUS is to
delay or cancel Australia's need to have long range nuclear weapons. The highest
value of AUKUS SSNs are as long range platforms for dual-use Australian
hypersonic missiles. China accurately recognises this.
Biden has created the Virginia possibility, but he will leave office certainly by 2029 if not in 2025. The Virginia possibility will likely become a mirage, never reached, as the USN's Virginia needs increase.
The UK’s provision of SSN-AUKUS’s for Australia, most probably in the late 2040s, may just be too late for Australia. Instead, to avoid nuclear impotence, Australia would need to accelerate its technical nuclear hedging.
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-07/features/seeking-bomb-strategies-nuclear-proliferation
Only 3-4 MIRVs?
ReplyDelete"Most analysts suggest that the MIRVed Agni-V will be able
to carry four to six warheads, although Air Marshal Anil
Chopra stated in an article that Agni-V can carry 10-12
warheads. Another Indian media story quoted Dr. Avinash
Chander, former head of the DRDO and a key person behind
the Agni missile program, as having said in 2007 that the
next variant of the Agni missile “would be a multiple
warhead missile with a capacity to carry four to 12
warheads.” MIRVed missiles can also carry decoys, making
identification of actual warheads a lot more challenging
for the adversary and reducing the effectiveness of missile
defense systems."
See:
https://thediplomat.com/2024/03/maiden-test-for-indias-agni-5-mirv-missile/
My sense is Agni V very likely could sport 3x60-80 kt boosted fission warheads and a number of decoys. Not a bad start. I did hear 3 is likely the realistic number due to certain pertaining issues (likely miniaturization, warhead design-> yield related issues)
ReplyDeleteI know you set store by Israel or Russia sharing data for Indian 'cold tests'... however such a thing is unlikely as such a support would be 'too juicy' for known India baiters in the western and local 'non proliferation menagerie' to let go.
As to SLBM, the first MIRVed operational SLBM is likely going to be the K-6 assuming they can keep it to 12 m as planned. K-5 is unlikely to be a MIRVed operational SLBM...
Going back to 'straya and its SSN program, it looks like slow progress...
https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/press-releases/2023/13-03-2023-nuclear-reactors-from-rolls-royce-to-power-australian-submarines.aspx
They might do well to ensure 40-50 of those 200 interns are Aussies... plus they might want to get on with that that nuclear repository thingy near FBW or in the 'woop woop' near-abouts Karratha if Perthians are feeling too NIMBYish.
PS: With the rule of thirds, even with 8 AUKUS SSNs, 16-20 crews might be needed to ensure optimal use of the fleet.... where will the RAN find so many trained SSN crew?
Hi Pete,
ReplyDeleteOn your note regarding K-5's height, something comes to mind:
By now we've all seen the first (publicly known) hydrodynamic model of the S-5 SSBN with a prominent missile compartment (or 'hump')...
https://ibb.co/F3DPCJg
...which obviously speaks to the size of the SLBMs it's designed to carry. However, that S-5 design (which I'm assuming is only one of many being tested) is now at least 6 years old, considering the first public sighting/leak was in 2018. More recently I've come across what could be a newer iteration of the evolving S-5 design:
https://ibb.co/Wnf9sQK
This is from an official publication from earlier this year. Again, there is no context or specific information provided about the program so we know just as little regarding the program's current status as before.
Of note is obviously the fact that the missile compartment is now far more streamlined into the submarine's hull. Could this be an indication that DRDO's propulsion advancements in ballistic missile development have resulted in a smaller and/or lighter missile being sufficient to reach the same range with the same payload as before? I can only guess.
There are also other differences, such as the dive planes being moved onto the sail/conning tower (which is more in line with how most submarines have them) as opposed to the previous model which had them on the hull in front of the sail (like on UK's Vanguard-class).
Cheers
Hi GhalibKabir at 3/22/2024 3:44 PM
ReplyDeleteAs I wrote in the article text above I recognise it is part of the deal that India (at the public level) minimises its achievements in nuclear device progress.
This was one of the terms the West required when it accepted India as a semi-legal member of the nuclear weapons Club.
I have heard offline that there is no way India's top political leadership would permit India's nuclear program to lag 57 years behind China's. Meaning it is 57 years since 1967 the year China tested a three-staged thermonuclear device see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_No._6
Boosted fission weapons are simply old school, with several downsides.
Staged thermonuclear devices can be miniaturised far smaller - with higher yields - and permit more MIRVs than alleged 3 x 60-80 kt boosted fission warheads.
For example, Russian Sarmat ICBMs can each carry up to ten x (dial the yield) 750 kiloton MIRVs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-28_Sarmat#Design .
Meanwhile Trident IIs can boost up to 12 Mk-5 RV/W88 (475 kt) MIRVs or
up to 14 Mk-4 RV/W76-0 (100 kt) MIRVs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UGM-133_Trident_II
Thanks for your K-6 opinion. I'll consider.
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I've reproduced your Australian SSN, Rolls Royce, Derby comments at https://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2024/03/australia-also-gifting-uk-au46-billion.html?showComment=1711090345590#c5950922788255887568
Regards Pete
Thanks Gessler at 3/22/2024 6:35 PM
ReplyDeleteLots to think about.
I'll use yours and GhalibKabir's comments and photos in a new article next week.
Cheers Pete
Hi Pete, something outside this topic I found interesting...
ReplyDeleteDuring the Sea Dragon-2024 ASW exercise conducted earlier this year around Guam (which included all QUAD countries + South Korea), members of the Indian Navy (I believe they were P-8I crew) were given a tour of the USS Jefferson City, a Los Angeles-class SSN.
https://www.dvidshub.net/image/8216837/uss-jefferson-city-hosts-allies-during-sea-dragon-2024
I'm not completely sure but I think this is the first time Indian military personnel were on board an American SSN as far as I know.
Cheers
Thanks Gessler at 3/26/2024 5:51 PM
ReplyDeleteIndian access to that US SSN shows the QUAD is building confidence.
Interesting South Korea also participated.
Might the QUAD become the QUIN? If Japan is happy with SK joining.
Cheers Pete