Hi
Tri-ring and Anonymous (your August 11, 2020 comments on Japanese and South Korean submarines nuclear propulsion possibilities).
1. Tri-ring I think it much more likely Japan and South Korea will further develop what they have already achieved that is Pressurized Water Reactors (PWRs) that are small enough to fit on small ships. The fusion and other advanced engines (you mention) are for the US and China in coming decades.
1. Tri-ring I think it much more likely Japan and South Korea will further develop what they have already achieved that is Pressurized Water Reactors (PWRs) that are small enough to fit on small ships. The fusion and other advanced engines (you mention) are for the US and China in coming decades.
Anonymous,
I agree with you that South Korea will eventually move to nuclear propulsion, but suspect it will
build SSBNs before SSNs.
As a
technical and political EVOLUTIONARY process South Korea has been at looking at the issue of a nuclear or conventionally propelled ballistic
missile launching First and Second Strike platform for more than 10 years. South Korea would have been looking at the nuclear issues even earlier: since 2003 when North Korea withdrew from the NPT and since 2006 North Korea's first nuclear weapon test.
South Korea has had a less visible marine reactor program with a view to using a modified civilian SMART reactor (note mention of an even smaller "SMART-P(SMART
pilot plant, 1/5 scale)")
or equivalent since 1997. At the DSME website is Nuclear Propulsion Ship. Meanwhile South Korea likely has a parallel program with plans for a smaller reactor for a submarine.
Since
these major advances in reactor miniaturisation for Japan (48 years ago) and
South Korea (23 years ago) these advanced civilian reactor countries will have made substantial gains in knowledge on how to further miniaturise.
Also
Japan and South Korea have overt and covert intelligence programs to gain
knowledge from existing submarine reactor countries (US, UK, France, Russia, China,
India and Brazil) on how to further miniaturise.
2. Meanwhile
South Korea is technically and politically evolving submarines as First and Second
Strike weapons against discreet targets in North Korea's cities and nuclear weapons facilities.
South Korea is developing its KSS-III (3,360+ ton) submarines to each eventually vertically
fire 10 missiles (cruise and eventually ballistic). The 9 x KSS-IIIs planned have air independent propulsion (AIP) and from the Batch II subclass onwards they may have Lithium-ion Batteries (LIBs). AIP + LIBs may give a KSS-III the ability to lie in wait, sitting on the seafloor, for 6 weeks without surfacing.
KSS-IIIs being commissioned up to the mid 2030s may be a credible deterrent against North Korea but not against China. North Korea, would generally assume that 500+kg warhead incoming missiles may well have nuclear warheads. North Korea would therefore deliver a nuclear response. South Korea going to the trouble of building whole submarines with only 10 relatively small (500kg) warhead missiles is only explicable if these missiles eventually have nuclear warheads.
A South Korean nuclear propelled ballistic missile class (lets call them "KSS-BNs") being launched from the late 2030s may be sufficient against China and Russia (and against India, the US and Japan for that matter).
Can South Korea afford nuclear weapons and nuclear propelled submarines? When you look at nominal GDP for South Korea its GDP is equal to or greater than Russia's. South Korea's nuclear military aspirations have been held back by US promises of a nuclear umbrella against North Korea and China. This umbrella and US, Russian and Chinese political power has not stopped North Korea from nuclear arming. South Korea will feel even more desperate to build a true deterrent in 12 years time when North Korea will have fleshed out its nuclear triad.
Pete
ReplyDeleteI don’t see the point in SK going for nuke submarine (that’s not to say they may not see things differently). Going nuke has a lot more cost than the upfront cost (just ask Russia or UK). Everyone they are interested in is close nearby. SSK’s can also pull off stunts that SSN’s struggle with. If you don’t want to be noticed, SSK is the way to go. Missiles like SCALP Naval & Tomahawk don’t need a SSN. They don’t need a Balistic missile for them to hit anywhere in NK, or enough of China or Russia to cause a problem in their local area.
Gotta agree with Anonymous. A mix of SSKs and SSNs is the way to go. Even for the IN, in and around the EEZ, a silent SSK armed with Nirbhay LACMs and Brahmos LACMs will go a much bigger way than a PWR powered SSN.
ReplyDeleteSSNs will prove their worth over a larger ocean surface outside the EEZ...
Hi Anonymous and ghalibkabir
ReplyDeleteI didn't say an all nuclear SK submarine fleet straight away. This is a matter of "KSS-IIIs being commissioned up to the mid 2030s" against NK. Those KSS-IIIs will continue to serve SK through to the 2060s.
Within that period SK still needs to deter the likes of China and Russia. Like the UK, France and India SK needs to counter nuclear submarines with nuclear submarines. SK (and Australia for that matter) could begin launching nuclear subs in the 2040s.
That does not preclude SK maintaining a force of SSKs - noting the nuke/SSK mixture in the Indian, Chinese and Russian navies.
And SK still needs to keep on building SSKs for its export market.
Regards
Pete
Hi Pete
ReplyDeleteThe Hankyoreh, left wing newspaper of South Korea (SK) which always intentionally or blindly supports Moon Jae-in administration, shows surprisingly a long critical article against projects for nuclear submarine and light aircraft carrier [1].
[1] http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/politics/defense/957936.html
“Is there a need for a light carrier or nuclear submarine on the Korean Peninsula?” (16/08/2020)
Regards
Thanks Anonymous
ReplyDeleteSouth Korea has been discussing nuclear propelled submarines for many years.
US-SK agreements made decades ago did not anticipate NK would:
- have successful nuclear weapon tests (including thermonuclear)
- successfully tested long range missiles capable of carrying heavy warheads, and
- successful sea pontoon tests
Therefore US-SK legal agreements signed decades ago no longer protect SK from NK's new cruel bombs.
That is why SK has a medium-long term plan to start building SSBNs in the 2030s.
Japan can no longer rely on hope that the US would go to nuclear war to protect Japan. As so many NK nuclear bases and facilities are near the NK-China border (ie. radioactive fallout on China) China would say to the US "do not retaliate against a NK nuclear strike on Japan and SK".
I will write further on this this week.
Regards
Pete