tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post8961877668337317674..comments2024-03-19T11:06:07.001+11:00Comments on Submarine Matters & Australian Nuclear Weapons: Needs of a future Chinese Conventional SubmarinePete2http://www.blogger.com/profile/06134037393078707072noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-71602121880998748672016-12-23T12:21:35.799+11:002016-12-23T12:21:35.799+11:00Hi KQN [at 23/12/16 6:34 AM]
Yes the limited dies...Hi KQN [at 23/12/16 6:34 AM]<br /><br />Yes the limited diesel engine output of Kilos limits electricity available to the passive sonars, thus limiting these sonars' (and other sensors') effectiveness.<br /><br />Having an extraordinarily large SSK, like the Shortfin with powerful but still limited diesels, seems a halfway measure. Australia, by 2025, may well make the right decision of choosing 8 Barracuda SSNs. <br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-37331176739319749382016-12-23T06:34:15.951+11:002016-12-23T06:34:15.951+11:00One reason for bigger size is sonar size, the bigg...One reason for bigger size is sonar size, the bigger it is the better it hears. The Kilo SSK is not known to be good at hunting submarines.<br />KQNAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-91145469421767078692016-12-22T15:34:17.143+11:002016-12-22T15:34:17.143+11:00Hi KQN
Yes although extra weight doesn't incr...Hi KQN<br /><br />Yes although extra weight doesn't increase range/speed/endurance by the same proportions it does provide more combat systems, more sensitive sensors, more weapons and the extra crew needed to operate all this.<br /><br />On an overt level I think similarities with the Soryu are more due the model makers or gamer members in 2013 just lifting the already 8 year old Soryu design to make it attractively unusual bold and new looking to gamer customers.<br /><br />On a more confidential level though (through Chinese hacking/sig-int and hum-int *) China may have picked up many Soryu design advances eg. very deep diving pressure hull steel, active sound suppression, nose passive sonar, quiet propulsion, etc. Japan (and all SSK makers) constantly need to innovate to keep ahead of Russian and Chinese submarine secrets gatherers.<br /><br />* Not always Chinese ** : Noshir Gowadia - a design engineer, one of the creators of the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber at Northrop was arrested in 2005 on espionage-related US charges. Gowadia was accused of selling classified information to China, Germany, Israel, and Switzerland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noshir_Gowadia<br /><br />** even Japanese with gambling or mistress debts or other blackmail-able needs for money<br /> <br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-28484665828092628022016-12-22T15:01:56.842+11:002016-12-22T15:01:56.842+11:00Nicky K.D Chaleunphone
China would build 20 Yuans...Nicky K.D Chaleunphone<br /><br />China would build 20 Yuans for many reasons:<br /><br />- in addition to the 25 (Kilos + Songs) to provide sufficient SSKs for China's 3 fleets (for many defensive and offensive roles)<br />- to at least be superior to Japan's eventual 22 + South Korea's 15 + a mixture of other navies (say 8 all up from ASEAN navies and the RAN)<br /><br />- China cannot equal the USs 12 (or so) available in western Pacific SSNs, for a decade or more, so China is not overtly deploying more advanced SSNs than later model 093s.<br /><br />China needed the Kilos to.....see data and reasons in my book to buy and read in time :)<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-19147614071189737392016-12-22T14:35:36.100+11:002016-12-22T14:35:36.100+11:00Thanks Autumn Leaf
Looks like the Chinese model o...Thanks Autumn Leaf<br /><br />Looks like the Chinese model or gamer company gets the:<br />- displacements from the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collins-class_submarine (right sidebar) <br />- dimensions inspired by Collins and Soryu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C5%8Dry%C5%AB-class_submarine<br />- speeds also inspired by Collins and Soryu<br /><br />6 x 533mm torpedo tubes same as Soryu and Collins, <br /><br />similar to 20 heavyweight shot number for Soryu and Collins.<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-79656578393463995032016-12-22T07:16:40.466+11:002016-12-22T07:16:40.466+11:00I agree that a weight gain on future Chinese SSK i...I agree that a weight gain on future Chinese SSK is inevitable, just because China will want to have sea control at least out to the 2nd island chain. Besides they will need to keep up with the bigger ROK, Japanese, Australian, Singaporean SSKs.<br />Are similarities with Soryu intentional? I am sure there are active hacking attacks on Japanese networks.<br />KQNAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-58360513645656241372016-12-22T03:29:13.176+11:002016-12-22T03:29:13.176+11:00Hi Pete,
I wonder why would China build more Yuan ...Hi Pete,<br />I wonder why would China build more Yuan class SSK and what is the main purpose of China getting the Kilo class SSK.Nickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15318590507921043958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-38780487794258448352016-12-21T19:15:39.922+11:002016-12-21T19:15:39.922+11:00It is in Chinese...
Displacement: 3050 (surface);...It is in Chinese...<br /><br />Displacement: 3050 (surface); 3400 (submerged)<br />length: 80m<br />Beam: 10m<br />Draught: 7.5m<br /><br />Propulsion: Main: 1x Diesel, single propeller; chemical battery<br />Speed: 13 knots (surface); 21 knots (submerged); 10 knots snorkel <br /><br />Range: 9000 nautical miles at 10 knots, 800 nm submerged at 4 knots (battery); 1900 nm at 5 knots (AIP)<br /><br />Depth: 450m; support for 60 days, Crew: 50<br /><br />Cruise Missiles: "Strike Eagle" Yingji-YJ82 (6 missiles)<br />Torpedoes: 6x533mm; 21 Torpedoes<br />Autumn Leafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14238954493633807388noreply@blogger.com