tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post8516359204885350148..comments2024-03-28T21:57:32.099+11:00Comments on Submarine Matters & Australian Nuclear Weapons: Australia's Future Submarines - Some ConsiderationsPete2http://www.blogger.com/profile/06134037393078707072noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-30357629593873559552014-05-22T21:20:20.431+10:002014-05-22T21:20:20.431+10:00Hi MHalblaub
Thanks for your comments.
Speed ma...Hi MHalblaub<br /><br />Thanks for your comments. <br /><br />Speed may or may not be significantly noisy in the latest Western SSNs. Speed is especially important for a submarine to be able to act independently in chasing down enemy SSNs, SSBNs, and to escort in front of or behind a battle fleet (unless the sub or several subs are pre-deployed).<br /><br />Yes the link http://www.asiapacificdefencereporter.com/articles/50/SEA-1000 is incorrect in saying "Lockheed Martin is also the designer of the Integrated Combat System (ICS) used by the German Type 214, which is derived from that developed for the S-80."<br /><br />In a war there may not be any mid voyage refueling points or submarine tenders left after Chinese airpower including DF-21 and cruise missiles have destroyed them.<br /><br />Unlike submarines the very unstealthy, poorly armed, Canberra Class vessels are not intended for high threat environments.<br /><br />Thanks for http://seefahrer.blog.de/2014/04/28/besser-schlau-gross-18328775/ . Yes SSKs have some advantages in being pre-deployed and ambushing ships and subs moving in and out of ports.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-55943812505153597072014-05-21T20:36:15.574+10:002014-05-21T20:36:15.574+10:00Dear Pete,
let me start with the last point of th...Dear Pete,<br /><br />let me start with the last point of the article: speed.<br /><br />Speed is necessary to follow SSBNs. SSBNs are for a second strike capability. Australia has no first strike capability and the Chinese submarines won't have to leave their harbor to reach Australia with their missiles.<br /><br />Speed is also necessary for a submarine to follow a carrier strike group. <br /><br />The problem is: speed is noisy.<br />During exercises SSKs killed SSNs on several occasions.<br /><br />Next: "Combat system interoperable with the US"<br />The link to APDR says nothing really specific except of some advertising clichés:<br />- interoperable: all NATO submarines are interoperable with the US. The standard is called LINK 11/16/22.<br /><br />Error:<br />"Lockheed Martin is also the designer of the Integrated Combat System (ICS) used by the German Type 214, which is derived from that developed for the S-80."<br /><br />There is no German Type 214 submarine. German Navy operates Type 212 with Kongsberg MSI-90U and the more recent once with Atlas Elektronik ISUS just like the South Korean Type 214 or Israels Dolphin class (SSMK - Missiles: UGM-84 Harpoon and Popeye Turbo). Maybe Greek ordered their Type 214 with ICS. <br /><br />That shows one thing: TKMS is a proven system integrator unlike other submarine builders.<br /><br />About range...<br /><br />"Predictable refueling points"<br />What about the predictable choke points? Guam, Christmas Island, Darwin, Indonesia, The Philippines, Singapore, Vietnam ... It depends on Australian politics how many refueling points the subs may have. Then refueling gets unpredictable...<br /><br />"Submarine tenders are very vulnerable." So are the Canberra-class vessels. Without a submarine tender a sub has to leave a strike group with Canberra-class and Hobart-class destroyer to refuel or rearm at Garden Island?<br /><br />For peace time information gathering missions a tender in international waters is not vulnerable. During war time ...<br />What kind of war? With or without the US? ...<br /><br />Here a report about how to hunt an SSN with an SSK:<br />http://seefahrer.blog.de/2014/04/28/besser-schlau-gross-18328775/<br />(Translator on top right)<br />There is also a hint how to communicate with a submarine.<br /><br />Yours,<br />MHalblaubAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com