tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post828486870069030576..comments2024-03-29T10:27:42.765+11:00Comments on Submarine Matters & Australian Nuclear Weapons: Russian Submarine Fire - Orel Perhaps a Write-Off?Pete2http://www.blogger.com/profile/06134037393078707072noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-59707095593369024082015-04-10T10:28:11.237+10:002015-04-10T10:28:11.237+10:00Hi Vigilis
There indeed are many parallels to the...Hi Vigilis<br /><br />There indeed are many parallels to the USS Miami fire http://aquilinefocus.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/ominous-submarine-portents-part-4-ncis.html .<br /><br />I'm wondering if the Russian welder was smoking a cigar and flicked his butt into the sub hatch.<br /><br />I'd say the Russians will probably bury the issue - with a small notice in a 2017 edition of Pravda (page 43) that the Orel has been gloriously scrapped.<br /><br />Australia experienced outright sabotage a while back:<br /><br />"On 5 December 1976, a fire was deliberately lit by a Fleet Air Arm member near the aircraft hangars at HMAS Albatross. The fire destroyed or seriously damaged twelve of the thirteen S-2 Trackers in the RAN's possession."<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/816_Squadron_RAN#History <br /><br />A one-way ticket to the Gulags well earned.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-83969780916337945892015-04-10T10:15:01.798+10:002015-04-10T10:15:01.798+10:00Hi Anonymous (of April 9)
Thanks for the update p...Hi Anonymous (of April 9)<br /><br />Thanks for the update pointing to likely hull damage. Seems likely my $200 million damage estimate, in the April 9, text may be too low. <br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-53152269195523769682015-04-10T06:09:24.961+10:002015-04-10T06:09:24.961+10:00Hi Pete
Russia's propaganda machine will be w...Hi Pete<br /><br />Russia's propaganda machine will be working overtime in attempts to equate "minor damage" with the inevitable delays in relaunching Orel.<br /><br />Of course, since Russia's submarine schedules are typically underestimated (by years), unless Russia ultimately makes the USS Miami (SSN-755) decision (scrap) who would ever know the truth?<br /><br />We should probably not forget that criminal charges were also leveled in<a href="http://aquilinefocus.blogspot.com/2012/07/ominous-submarine-portents-part-4-ncis.html" rel="nofollow">the very suspicious and embarrassing USS Miami fire.</a> <br /><br />Perhaps we might even expect an eventual US-RU prisoner exchange.<br /><br />Regards<br />VigilisVigilishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05051789616490005367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-90873073640936896722015-04-09T21:23:37.843+10:002015-04-09T21:23:37.843+10:00Situation is very serious. High temperature blazin...Situation is very serious. High temperature blazing and successive water quenching correspond to severe thermal annealing and thermal shock, respectively. The former may induce hull damages such as reduction in toughness and yield strength and the later may generate cracks. These damages are invisible except big cracks, but very dangerous and sometimes fatal for the high pressure vessel like submarine. Hope nothing worse will happen.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-76017795530069935712015-04-09T15:54:21.939+10:002015-04-09T15:54:21.939+10:00Hi Vigilis and DaffyD
Using the Pravda article I&...Hi Vigilis and DaffyD<br /><br />Using the Pravda article I've added more information and comments in blog post.<br /><br />Regards<br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-21303306259115415782015-04-09T14:57:57.050+10:002015-04-09T14:57:57.050+10:00Hi DaffyD
Something seemed to make a great deal o...Hi DaffyD<br /><br />Something seemed to make a great deal of plastic and rubber very hot, very quickly. Perhaps there was an explosion (maybe just moderate but enough to cause the secondary fires, causing the very visible smoke). <br /><br />If it happened in the US or Oz we'd hear about it in our free-er press. But I don't think Putin's men would allow such wild, disloyal, speculation, implying poor safety to be voiced. <br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-42766769557941154342015-04-09T14:48:47.270+10:002015-04-09T14:48:47.270+10:00Hi Vigilis
Thanks for the questions you raise. Ev...Hi Vigilis<br /><br />Thanks for the questions you raise. Even Putin's naval advisers have sensed the holes in the ever changable official account.<br /><br />As if to respond to the doubts of we unconvinced Western observers. Pravda ("Truth") added a still ambiguous report "Fire on board Orel nuclear submarine causes major damage" later on April 8, 2015 http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/08-04-2015/130224-orel_nuclear_submarine-0/<br />It carries a much more graphic photo. <br /><br />While the Pravda report is part titled "major damage" it goes into propaganda mode - stating that US submarines often suffer such damage and that ""The Americans even took lessons from us..."<br /><br />Pravda does however attempt to explain where the damage occurred.<br /><br />In terms of the cost of the damage Pravda says it is more 100 million rubles (US$1.87 million).<br /><br />As the sub displaces around "22 thousand tons" (Surfaced) - the Russian Navy only has 5 active Oscars (meaning time in dock rather than at sea is very expensive) - and the extra repair time may well be 2 years - the damage bill may be more like US$2 Billion to US$4 Billion.<br /><br />What do you think?<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-27006720397771875832015-04-09T11:48:57.130+10:002015-04-09T11:48:57.130+10:00I was of the impression that battery fumes tend to...I was of the impression that battery fumes tend to go BANG rather than burn. I know when I was riding the boat people were very cautious (paranoid maybe) about that. <br /><br />DaffyD Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-19739704445977431902015-04-09T05:26:13.654+10:002015-04-09T05:26:13.654+10:00Hi Pete,
"Perhaps authorities moved ships ar...Hi Pete,<br /><br />"Perhaps authorities moved ships around the sub on fire to reduce the number of embarrassing photos?"<br /><br />And such photos might contradict official statements. For instance:<br /><br />1. Officially there were no injuries: and no photo of an ambulance retrieving casualties.<br />2. Zvezdochka shipyard spokesman Yevgeny Gladyshev, told Interfax that the vessel's dock had been submerged in water in order to put out the fire and that the submarine's hull was still being doused from above. - Quenched from below and above on vessel's outer hull only? That "insulation" must retain incredible amounts of heat.<br />3. No major damage: BBC reports that Gladyshev also told Tass news agency that the water would not cause any damage to the equipment inside the submarine because the inner hull remained closed.<br />4. Then, of course, welding hsd caused an insulation fire exterior to the inner hull <br />a) [at video 0:50 seconds] suppression hoses were trained on the hull from midships to bow [where is the sub's battery well?]; <br />b) [at 0:56 seconds] firefighters appear near a topside hatch (atop sail?) from which steam/smoke is arising. Is smoke/steam rising through hatch atop sub's sail without coming from the sub's interior?<br /><br />Something other than "insulation" was cooking, for sure.<br /><br />Regards, VigilisVigilishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05051789616490005367noreply@blogger.com