tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post6916639873755227263..comments2024-03-29T13:01:18.436+11:00Comments on Submarine Matters & Australian Nuclear Weapons: China's January 11, 2018, Type 093 Submarine Incursion A SIGINT Probe?Pete2http://www.blogger.com/profile/06134037393078707072noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-76262838915945802662018-02-02T20:45:19.008+11:002018-02-02T20:45:19.008+11:00If the sub's purpose was any kind of demonstra...If the sub's purpose was any kind of demonstration (FONOP or whatever), that means, Chinese Navy expected that the sub would be detected by Japan or US. with cost of giving the sub's data of acoustics, speed, depth. This demonstration theory seems highly debatable, especially in this case, many people believe the sub was new type 093B, not old 093.<br /><br />PUNTERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796953408188748722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-15427463995742247282018-02-02T13:16:04.520+11:002018-02-02T13:16:04.520+11:00Very true Josh
Chinese intentions remain murky an...Very true Josh<br /><br />Chinese intentions remain murky and unresolvable as no Chinese Admiral or, at least senior Captain, has said what the 093 planned to achieve.<br /><br />So we are reduced to logic. Certainly deploying the Chinese frigate acted as a tracker buoy highlighting the 093's position.<br /><br />So then I think the frigate and 093 were performing a political FONOPs purpose. That is claiming China had as much right to be in the Senkakus area as Japan.<br /><br />Perhaps, also, the frigatewas protecting the 093 from US or Japanese surface ship interference. This may have come in the form of constant high volume active sonar beeps or even mini-grenade-depth-charges dropped over the side.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-57198560256627194862018-02-02T03:16:39.903+11:002018-02-02T03:16:39.903+11:00@Pete
I had assumed this was a training mission d...@Pete<br /><br />I had assumed this was a training mission due to the presence of the Type 54. Its not clear to me why the PLAN would pair a nuke boat with a surface ship unless they assumed it would be detected anyway. I don't see why they could possibly be surprised that a PLAN ship attracted platforms that also would have acoustic sensors to detect the boat - by pairing the two, they basically handed initial detection and localization to the JMSDF.<br /><br />It also seems perfectly likely a USN boat was in play as well, given how few nukes the PLAN has and how infrequently they deploy. Assuming there was even one USN boat inside the first island chain, it probably would have been tasked to follow the deployment.<br /><br />It seems rather unlikely that the PLAN learned more than the JMSDF did. This comes back to the quandary I mentioned concerning the PLAN having foreign navies in own back yard.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />Josh<br /><br />https://squidjigger.com<br />Josh@squidjigger.com<br />twitter: @squid_jigger Joshhttps://squidjigger.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-36801456929565161022018-02-01T17:27:43.376+11:002018-02-01T17:27:43.376+11:00you are welcome.
some people say, they see variab...you are welcome.<br /><br />some people say, they see variable depth sonar in the sub's photo taken by JMSDF. though, I don't know what it means.PUNTERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796953408188748722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-83987549957967966432018-02-01T16:02:56.146+11:002018-02-01T16:02:56.146+11:00Thanks PUNTER
I have altered the wording of the S...Thanks PUNTER<br /><br />I have altered the wording of the Submarine Matter's article more in the direction that it was a Chinese Navy miscalculation. I wonder if the Chinese Captain was sacked?<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-47312988783136190342018-02-01T13:41:37.924+11:002018-02-01T13:41:37.924+11:00A former JMSDF officer Yoji Koda (香田洋二 ) gave his ...A former JMSDF officer Yoji Koda (香田洋二 ) gave his comment to Japanese newspaper Yomiuri Shinbun, " (the fact that the sub was continuously monitored and chased by JMSDF) gave strong shock to Chinese Navy". <br />A high ranking official of Japanese Defense Ministry said, "it was fruitful that Japan was able to get Shang-class sub's data".<br /><br />https://gamp.ameblo.jp/ba7-777/entry-12344707098.html<br /><br /><br />PUNTERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796953408188748722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-69076935611922500812018-02-01T12:57:47.287+11:002018-02-01T12:57:47.287+11:00Hi Tri-ring
Thanks for the tip. But a string of t...Hi Tri-ring<br /><br />Thanks for the tip. But a string of the article as it appears in the online Nikkei Newspaper (rather than a hard copy reference) would by useful.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />Pete<br /><br />Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-52965183760531484002018-02-01T08:33:35.102+11:002018-02-01T08:33:35.102+11:00There was an interesting speculative article on Ja...There was an interesting speculative article on Jan 31st Nikkei Newspaper about this incident.<br />It was on the second page to those who are interested.<br />Tri-ringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06661563459008346977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-84682129504998575002018-01-31T23:51:44.156+11:002018-01-31T23:51:44.156+11:00hi,
You wrote, Jan 11 the sub surfaced.
But, ac...hi,<br /><br />You wrote, Jan 11 the sub surfaced. <br /><br />But, according to Japan Defense Ministry, the sub entered Senkaku's contiguous water on Jan 11 a.m., exited on Jan 11 p.m.(submerged), surfaced in East China Sea on Jan 12 p.m. <br />PUNTERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796953408188748722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-63438953106292309482018-01-31T23:24:58.168+11:002018-01-31T23:24:58.168+11:00Hi PUNTER
I have several theories - described in ...Hi PUNTER<br /><br />I have several theories - described in the article.<br /><br />Cheers <br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-28484435121810697182018-01-31T21:19:02.821+11:002018-01-31T21:19:02.821+11:00In your hypothetical theory, Chinese Navy used the...In your hypothetical theory, Chinese Navy used the sub for a "demonstration" purpose? You really think so?PUNTERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796953408188748722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-45418210645744594232018-01-31T18:30:35.010+11:002018-01-31T18:30:35.010+11:00Even Chinese media say the sub was type 093B by an...Even Chinese media say the sub was type 093B by analyzing the photo provided by Japanese defense ministry. <br /><br />http://k.sina.com.cn/article_6384578338_17c8cef22001002evd.html<br /><br />https://www.xcnnews.com/js/2936184.html<br /><br />and this is an old article about 093B with photo (2016)<br />https://www.popsci.com/first-picture-chinas-secretive-new-submarine-type-093b<br /><br />PUNTERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796953408188748722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-60339988713527951252018-01-31T18:25:17.724+11:002018-01-31T18:25:17.724+11:00I have my doubts that the type 093A is as quiet as...I have my doubts that the type 093A is as quiet as the Los Angeles class SSN. Look at the type 093 bow and compare it to one on the SSN-688. And then look at the type 093 on surface in rough waters. The bow is slamming into the waves, something is off.<br />KQNAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com