tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post2793117624109508734..comments2024-03-19T11:06:07.001+11:00Comments on Submarine Matters & Australian Nuclear Weapons: Israel seeking three Dolphin 3 subs from Germany - perhaps 1st delivered 2027Pete2http://www.blogger.com/profile/06134037393078707072noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-83883719637199174912016-10-26T10:41:57.111+11:002016-10-26T10:41:57.111+11:00The shipyard build cost of a submarine, like a wa...The shipyard build cost of a submarine, like a warship, is normally only a fraction of the total cost. Its what goes inside especially the sensors and computer systems that operate them that cost a fortune. Australia like some other western countries seems to these days add the crew training, weapons stocks and even the sustainment costs including major overhauls to a price that is said to be 'sticker price'. Even GST has to be added nowdays !<br />We can see from the first comment, having Israel doing its own weapons system, which is expensive for them, but would mean a cost reduction from the builder.Ztev Konradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06553128132098513643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-36377286158084542332016-10-23T22:51:03.017+11:002016-10-23T22:51:03.017+11:00Hi MHalblaub
Yes the low-low price for those futu...Hi MHalblaub<br /><br />Yes the low-low price for those future Israeli subs may indeed be to relax Israeli taxpayers. The no-frills upfront price (just over $400 million per sub) may well be padded out later to more like $2 Billion per sub.<br /><br />https://youtu.be/y2WIJzht-18 really shows how small INS Gal is inside - just <br />420 tonnes (surfaced). Gal being a modified Type 206 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gal-class_submarine .<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-12152275948635290372016-10-23T20:44:35.005+11:002016-10-23T20:44:35.005+11:00Dear Pete,
The price for one Type 212A was 400 mi...Dear Pete,<br /><br />The price for one Type 212A was 400 million Euro in 2002. <br />The price mentioned may be to relax the Israeli taxpayers. <br />For sure Germany will pay an amount to keep the submarine business running. <br />With inflation and displacement as a linear factor the price will be about 1 billion Euro per submarine. The official price for 1 Dolphin class 2 submarine including weapons was $1 billion. Israel implemented its own weapon system add-ons to use the big tubes in a proper way. <br /><br /><br />The 4 bigger 650 mm tubes are just an add on. 4 or 6 tubes are sufficient for conventional attack. The tubes may also act as additional stowage. 4 missiles loaded won't occupy space for reloads. Maybe just 4 reloads but hell 8 nukes are more than enough to scare even the most faithful people around the Kaaba. <br /><br />Here a picture of the impressive 10 tube arrangement:<br />http://defense-update.com/20110506_enhanced_dolphin.html<br /><br />More here: http://submarines.dotan.net/<br /><br />e.g.: INS Gal museum:<br />https://youtu.be/y2WIJzht-18<br /><br />I guess the German build Dolphin III will be the first try for the next South Korean submarine class. <br /><br />Regards,<br />MHalblaub<br /><br />P.S.: It is hard to keep sound propagation simple...MHalblaubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14234020711635190127noreply@blogger.com