tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post2702484108529835934..comments2024-03-28T21:57:32.099+11:00Comments on Submarine Matters & Australian Nuclear Weapons: Granit armed Oscar II class submarines confronting Western CarriersPete2http://www.blogger.com/profile/06134037393078707072noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-53880771835049137782016-12-18T22:15:59.541+11:002016-12-18T22:15:59.541+11:00Hi Pete
Based on various sources, I show some imp...Hi Pete<br /><br />Based on various sources, I show some important aspects of Japan-Russia economic cooperation and deployment of Russian Armed Forces in Kuril Islands as follows:<br /> <br />Although PM Abe highly recommends investment in Russia, Japanese companies and investers are hesitant, because they do not trust Russia.<br /><br />Key areas in Kuril Islands are Vries Strait (1300m in depth) between Urup Island and Itrup Islands and Kunashiri-suido (suido means strait, 484m in depth) between Iturup Island and Kunashir Island. Russia deploys the Russian Pacific Fleet including submarines through these straits. If Russia returns Kunashir Island to Japan, it may interfere deployment of the Russian Pacific Fleet.<br /><br />Russia recently strengthens deployment of Russian Armed Forces in Kuril Islands. It is against for China, not for Japan.<br /><br />Application of the US-Japan Security Treaty in the Northern Territories must be considered. Some people expect possible exemption of the Security Treaty.<br /><br />Regards<br />SAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-10548582948641719282016-12-18T17:23:54.355+11:002016-12-18T17:23:54.355+11:00Thanks S [at 18/12/16 10:49 AM]
Japan and Russia ...Thanks S [at 18/12/16 10:49 AM]<br /><br />Japan and Russia are both worried about rising China - so would have that in common.<br /><br />Russia and Japan also appear to have increasing energy trade relations. I noticed this 16 December 2016 article http://russianconstruction.com/news-1/25882-russia-and-japan-confirm-interest-in-sakhalin-hokkaido-gas-pipeline-project.html :<br /><br />"Japan and Russia confirmed their mutual interest in the project for “Sakhalin – Hokkaido” gas pipeline, Interfax reports on Friday.<br /><br />The parties agreed to intensify the project’s development at a level of economic entities, the press service of the Ministry of Russian Far East Development announced following the talks between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister of Japan Shinzo Abe in Nagato, Yamaguchi Prefecture in Japan...<br /><br />The project involves laying an onshore gas pipeline from Sakhalin to the port of Wakkanai located on the Japanese northern island of Hokkaido, and then its extension to Tokyo Bay. The report also says that Vladimir Putin has invited Japanese investors to participate in the creation of the Amur gas processing plant in the Amur region of Russia."<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-80681151481811076852016-12-18T10:49:15.338+11:002016-12-18T10:49:15.338+11:00Hi Pete
PM Abe will strengthen defense cooperatio...Hi Pete<br /><br />PM Abe will strengthen defense cooperation between JSDF and Russian Armed Forces as a new diplomacy against Russia despite concerns of US government. As the military threat of China is transforming into a realistic crisis, MoD and JSDF recognize that coopertiom with Russian Armed Forces is needed. They think that Japan and Russia can complement each other in suppressing China which is going to expand its dominance in the Pacific Ocean, the Indian Ocean and the Arctic Ocean [1].<br /><br />I always emphasis on the importance of cooperation between Japan and Russia, and it is coming true. Though the differece of recognition of the northern territory of Japan is great between Japan and Russia, PM Abe showed important compromise. I am expecting final solution of the northern territory issue which will significantly contribute to the ocean security. <br /><br />[1] http://www.sankei.com/politics/news/161217/plt1612170024-n1.html (“Why does Prime Minister Shinzo Abe rush to Japan-Russia defense cooperation- Threat of expanding China and bisecting Russia and China” Sankei News, Dec/18/2016)<br /><br />Regards<br />S<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-16690186093943162132016-12-15T17:36:23.443+11:002016-12-15T17:36:23.443+11:00BTW I found an Italian article http://www.ilgiorna...BTW I found an Italian article http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/mondo/mar-mediterraneo-cinque-i-sottomarini-russi-pattugliamento-1340912.html which seems to record a Russian publicity/political gesture for domestic Russian consumption and for NATO opponents: <br /><br />"On 18 October [2016], the [Oscar II] K-410 Smolensk...operating with the Northern Fleet, launched a cruise missile Granit hitting the intended target in the archipelago Novaya Zemlya in the Arctic."<br /><br />Russians can be proud of Putin's missiles and Putin's/Russia's own aircraft carrier fighting real bad enemies.<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-46311800647450232322016-12-15T17:29:21.773+11:002016-12-15T17:29:21.773+11:00Hi Eric Weinkam
I think the use of active sonar &...Hi Eric Weinkam<br /><br />I think the use of active sonar "pinging" would depend on the opponents involved and how confrontational the sub is acting. <br /><br />For example I recall a 2009 report that http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7868863.stm :<br /><br />"Indian naval officials have denied media reports that Chinese warships forced an Indian submarine to surface in a stand-off in waters off Somalia...."<br /><br />I'd agree "Oscars can be tracked pretty easily" and "any Oscar away from port has a NATO SSN following it around" (especially if the Oscar is stalking a NATO taskforce).<br /><br />Oscars aren't the latest stealthy Kilos or Yasens so "stay within their 300nm engagement range and depend on off-board platforms for targeting data." looks quite plausible.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-67059161311855963972016-12-15T17:15:28.220+11:002016-12-15T17:15:28.220+11:00Hi Nicky K.D Chaleunphone
I agree. Oscars seem a ...Hi Nicky K.D Chaleunphone<br /><br />I agree. Oscars seem a not repeated Soviet experiment of huge sized carrier killers, now easily seen by the latest Sonars. Modern Russian SSKs and SSNs can now carry and use adequate anti-ship missiles, especially "Sizzlers" and Yakhonts.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-19749096610319728082016-12-15T17:08:28.771+11:002016-12-15T17:08:28.771+11:00Hi Team Eurowussies
Yes like the Ohio SSGNs Oscar...Hi Team Eurowussies<br /><br />Yes like the Ohio SSGNs Oscars armed with smaller more modern missiles may become excellent platforms for conventional land attack missiles used in Middle East (watch out Islamic State and future terrorist mobs).<br /><br />I don't know if Oscars would be efficient in sacrificing themselves firing BrahMos or Yakhont against enemies well equipped with ASW missiles.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />Pete Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-38167496348670892122016-12-15T16:58:43.063+11:002016-12-15T16:58:43.063+11:00Hi Josh
My sources indicate the huge Oscars in th...Hi Josh<br /><br />My sources indicate the huge Oscars in the little Med are more on a political gesture mission rather than hoping to be stealthy. Bit like the political gesture of the enormously inefficient Kuznetsov splashing 15-20% of its squadron sized airgroup in about 2 weeks.<br /><br />Difficult for Russian subs to be louder than Oscars.<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-82439759283991690802016-12-15T02:22:49.475+11:002016-12-15T02:22:49.475+11:00Pinging a sub with active sonar during peacetime i...Pinging a sub with active sonar during peacetime is a big no-no. That is a good way to make a jumpy sub captain send a torpedo back the other way. Any sub tracking is being done with passive sonar only.<br /><br />That said, the Oscars can be tracked pretty easily from two or three CZs away. Depending on the conditions, that could be out to about 80nm. I'm sure any Oscar away from port has a NATO SSN following it around.<br /><br />In the case of these Oscar's, they have never been known to get close to carriers. They don't need to. Their role is to just stay within their 300nm engagement range and depend on off-board platforms for targeting data.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17517978774156365961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-17784732200149326582016-12-14T15:34:53.966+11:002016-12-14T15:34:53.966+11:00Hi Pete,
I think Any GOOD Sonar Tech, would be abl...Hi Pete,<br />I think Any GOOD Sonar Tech, would be able to pick off the Oscar-class SSGN and track them for a long time. Nickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15318590507921043958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-14668571825076915382016-12-14T05:37:07.427+11:002016-12-14T05:37:07.427+11:00Hi Pete,
if there are really Oscar-class SSGN out...Hi Pete,<br /><br />if there are really Oscar-class SSGN out there in the med, they might be the ones, which have been overhauled and sporting !!! 72 !!! Yakhont/BrahMos missiles.<br /><br />This huge number of missiles make the Oscars still a very powerful system.<br /><br />The new hypersonic "Zircon" will also be given to those Oscars. Russian media says first round of trials are finished.<br /><br />Those media reports is also good way for more funding for NATO forces, whose ASW-capabilities have entrophied after 1990.<br /><br />Cheers<br />Team EurowussiesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-63557394057866350752016-12-14T03:15:50.337+11:002016-12-14T03:15:50.337+11:00@Pete
The fact that the Russians were running nuk...@Pete<br /><br />The fact that the Russians were running nuke boats in the Med wouldn't I think even warrant a news article or any discussion outside the militaries involved. I assume the recent tensions in Syria and elsewhere caused the DoD or NATO to drop this piece of information to emphasize increased Russian activity. Deployment of even one North Fleet SSGN to the Med, let alone two, would be very significant particularly as 2-3 other boats were rumored to already be in theater.<br /><br />I also wouldn't just assume these units are being tracked by NATO units. They were some of the latest models outside Akula and Siera, and are relatively quiet for Soviet boats and certainly quite fast. The later could prove challenging to an escort to track and follow at speed - even active sonars are less effective and fuel is limited for the escort. The Med has fairly horrible sonar conditions. So while apparently one or more was detected, it might be false to assume it has a trailer at all times. Though I suspect some kind of NATO SSN is in fact following whatever is there.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />JoshJoshnoreply@blogger.com