A training exercise for a 30mm DS-30B naval cannon. In this case its on a UK Royal Fleet Auxiliary vessel 12 years ago. Same weapon used on HMS Diamond - details below.
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The Royal Navy (RN) of the United Kingdom has always been a gun-armed Navy, since it was founded as the 'Tudor Navy' by Henry VIII in 1485. While the 'missile age' of naval warfare has diminished the importance of gun weapons as offensive weaponry, recent events in the Black Sea and the Red Sea have reinforced the importance of guns for warship self-defense.
The UK Defence Journal recently published a question formally asked in the UK parliament about the UK's air defence assets. This has confirmed an issue that was brought up by Navylookout.com in an after-action report of the Type 45 Daring-class air defence destroyer HMS Diamond's engagement of Houthi UAVs, ASCMs and ASBMs in January 2024 - that the 'main-gun' of RN destroyers and frigates, the British 4.5-inch (114mm) Mark 8 naval gun, does not have anti-aircraft capabilities, as Naval Lookout observed:
"4.5-inch Mk 8 gun is now really only useful in the Naval Gunfire Support role in relatively benign environments. The software support for its original limited anti-air capability was withdrawn some time ago as a cost-saving measure."
I've been curious about the resurgence of naval guns as a counter UAV/USV weapon, especially as there are now proximity and guided projectiles for 30mm, 40mm, 57mm, 76mm and 5-inch (127mm) naval guns.
Smaller 30mm calibre gun ammunition are much more economical than expensive SAMs for knocking out small cheap swarms of UAVs and USVs, but a larger calibre weapon can engage targets at a further (thus safer) distance - the Danish frigate Iver Huitfeldt fired 50-100 76mm rounds against an approaching drone when its ESSM missile system failed for 30 minutes - though the resulting weapons failures were actually the result of long-standing issues known to the Royal Netherlands Navy.
HMS Diamond has engaged Houthi airborne
targets with its Sea Viper (48 Aster 30/15/1NT missiles). On April 24, 2024 it was HMS Diamond's Sea Viper system that shot down a Houthi ASBM, a first for the Sea Viper/Aster missile system (see final paragraph here). HMS Diamond's 2 x 30mm DS-30B cannon and 2 x 20mm Phalanx 1B close in
weapon system (CIWS), have also been seen action, and these guns are mounted on the flanks of Daring-class Type 45 destroyers like HMS Diamond.
image: Seaforces.org. A 30mm DS-30B autocannon and 20mm Phalanx Block 1B aboard a Type 45 Daring class Destroyer --- |
The DS-30B is a stabilized Oerlikon KCB 30mm cannon with a pedestal-mounted 30mm automatic cannon that can fire proximity fused ammunition. Here is a report of 5-inch fused ammo for the USN as an example of this concept. The UK RN has not disclosed if it uses such fuse ammo. The KCB has an effective range of 3km, while the Phalanx's is 1.5km, now considered marginal against supersonic threats.
To upgrade its ships' self-defence capabilities against asymmetric threats, the RN has experimented with adding Marlet LMM (Lightweight Multirole Missiles) to its DS30M Mk2 mounts (which use the Bushmaster 30mm canons) but this has not been successful.
The latest news is that the RN is going Star Wars, by outfitting many of its ships with the 50kW Dragonfire Lase Directed Weapon (DEW) from 2027.
The Type-45 Daring Class entered Royal Navy service in 2009 and is scheduled to retire in 2038, when the planned Type 83 destroyer replaces them. The RN's Type 23 Duke-class frigates are also retiring by 2035, which means that the Royal Navy is phasing out the 4.5-inch naval gun, so restoring its capabilities against aerial targets is not a priority.
The Type 26 Gasglow-class frigates, the first of which is now 65% complete, has switched to the 5-inch (127mm) Mark 45 Mode 4 naval gun, which is used by the US Navy and the Royal Australian Navy and is capable of firing programmable and guided munitions.
A very interesting report Shawn.
ReplyDeleteIts got me to thinking.
Instead of neighbours merely "fighting" via multi-player video games, why don't they install 30mm guns in their garages or on their friendly family armoured VeeHikals:
To blaze away
Across the street each day?
Much more fun
Every home deserves a bigger Gun!
Pete
Pete,
ReplyDeleteYou've been watching Furisoa? Sounds like your utopia is filled with road warriors gunning each other on a dessert highway.
I'll add more info to this article tonight, the UK is now going to install Dragonfire lasers in 2027.
The 5-inch (127mm) guns on US and Australian warships can use multi-function fuses for a range of AD tasks
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/orbital-atk-wins-21m-defense-155103189.html
There's also been talk of a naval version of the Vampire 70mm laser-guided rocket system:
ReplyDelete"Rambeau did not specifically address which customer might
use this maritime Vampire or in which geographic area.
Both the Houthis in the Red Sea and the Russians in
Ukraine are using the same Iran-made attack drones, meaning
Vampire would be applicable in both settings.
Asked about ongoing discussions with a customer to pursue a
maritime Vampire payload, Rambeau said, “it’s more
conceptually, could you do this? Yes we could. Could you do
some preliminary design work? Yes we can. So we’ve done
some of that, and now there’s discussion [on] how fast
could we field that and what would that look like, what
would it cost, when could we get them.”"
See:
https://www.c4isrnet.com/unmanned/2024/04/02/vampire-at-sea-l3harris-eyes-maritime-version-of-counter-drone-system/
Another new guided 57mm round:
ReplyDelete"The 57mm guided high explosive ammunition possesses the
capability to maneuver in-flight toward its designated
target. It is engineered to counter fast-moving surface
threats, drones, and swarming threats.
The 57mm ammunition also incorporates an on-board seeker
for target acquisition and a fuze capable of self-
selection between proximity or point-detonation mode for
effective engagement and neutralization of the target."
See:
https://defbrief.com/2023/10/05/northrop-grumman-to-adapt-in-flight-maneuvering-57mm-ammo-for-us-navy-guns/
L3Harris has shown a Vampire equipped USV concept https://www.l3harris.com/newsroom/editorial/2024/04/adapting-land-based-systems-effective-low-cost-engagement-solutions-sea
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, APKWS was probably the weapon that French naval helicopters and USMC Sea Harriers used to pop a number of Houthi drones.
https://www.twz.com/air/marine-corps-av-8b-harrier-pilot-downed-seven-drones-report
The German air defense frigate Hessen shot down two drones on the 1st March using its 76mm gun, and a RIM-166 Rolling Airframe Missile - I think this is the first combat use of the RAM, but I’m not yet able to verify this.
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/german-frigate-successfully-intercepts-houthi-attack-uavs-in-red-sea
57mm need some guided love as well, as it’s the main gun on the Zumwalt destroyer, the LCS, USCG cutters, and the new Constellation frigates.
Oh, and as we are on this topic - the RN uses Oerlikon KCB and newer Bushmaster II guns on their DS-30 mounts - the Bushmaster’s have a slower fire rate of 200rpm, but are more accurate.
Italian FREMM frigate takes out Houthi drone that was 5km from the ship, during a complex drone and missile attack.
ReplyDelete76mm confirmed as the weapon.
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eunavfor-aspides/its-virginio-fasan-shoots-down-one-uav_en
Evolved Sea Sparrow has been used in combat as well:
ReplyDelete"This is definitely the first time a RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile has
been used during a combat situation, and it is likely the first time a
modernized version of the SM-2 has been put to use in a real-world scenario."
See:
https://www.twz.com/5523/uss-mason-fired-three-missiles-during-anti-ship-missile-attack-off-yemen
"The German air defense frigate Hessen shot down two drones on the 1st March using its 76mm gun,
ReplyDeleteand a RIM-166 Rolling Airframe Missile - I think this is the first combat use of the RAM, but
I’m not yet able to verify this."
RAM is definitely getting better. The new versions can even communicate with each other:
"Known as the RAM Block IIB Raid Engineering Change Proposal
(ECP) the upgrade will provide an upgraded seeker and
Missile-to-Missile Link (MML) capability to counter emerging
complex raid threats."
See:
https://www.defenceturkey.com/en/content/rim-116-rolling-airframe-missile-ram-ship-self-defence-weapon-system-rim-116c-block-ii-missile-3638
"The German air defense frigate Hessen shot down two drones on the 1st March using its
ReplyDelete76mm gun, and a RIM-166 Rolling Airframe Missile - I think this is the first combat use
of the RAM, but I’m not yet able to verify this."
Here's more on the topic:
"Hessen intercepted the first drone using its 76mm deck gun, German defense
ministry spokesperson Michael Stempfle told reporters during a media
conference at the time, Reuters reported. The second drone was shot down
using a RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile. The two drones were supposedly
"recognized by the radar system and had a different range… That's why two
different weapons were used.""
See:
https://www.twz.com/sea/german-frigate-that-fought-off-houthi-drones-heads-home-after-58-days
Hi Shawn C. at 4/29/2024 7:31 PM
ReplyDeleteNah, no Furiosa. I'm becoming quite attached to Netflix crime thrillers and escapist romances.
One aspect with of multi-fusing naval rounds is shell capability and, with it, cost creap.
I wonder if companies saw a loss of small missile revenue - and are now reacting developing ever more capable and expensive rounds. Another innovation being rocket assisted rounds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket-assisted_projectile
I recall the fancy naval gun ammo for US Zumwalt destroyers become so expensive (A$million+ per round) they were not much cheaper than anti-ship missiles in "bang for the buck" terms and too expensive for naval fire support https://news.usni.org/2016/11/07/navy-planning-not-buying-lrlap-rounds
Interesting laser possibilities, especially for anti-drone swarm.
Regards Pete