September 18, 2020

Thai Army Fought In Vietnam - Creation of SEATO & FPDA

Comments and facts about Southeast Asian history are infrequent on Submarine Matters.

This is why Shawn C’s comments on September 16 and 17, 2020 are so interesting. Here they are with hyperlinks added, expansion of acronyms and occasional comments in brackets [...] from Pete.

The [US created and dominated]  the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO) a defence bloc that existed from 1954 to 1977, which Thailand and the Phillipines were members of, while at that time many current SEA countries were still French or British colonies.

Yes, the UK had plenty of other issues to deal with in the 1960s, with the end of de-colonialization leading to bushfire wars occurring all across the globe, while Indonesia [under President] Sukarno in the early 1960s was aligning with the Communist Bloc for weapons and quite busy stirring up South East Asia, from the Western New Guinea issue with the Dutch, to Confrontation with Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei. It was only when Sukarno was replaced in 1967 that Indonesian expansionist policies stopped, with the exception of East Timor [which was invaded by Indonesia in 1975].

The Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA) (1971 on) was formed right after the decolonisation of the British Empire by five Commonwealth countries – see The Diplomat (paysite) entry. FPDA was essentially created to defend Malaysia and Singapore, as a counter to expansionist Indonesian policies from the 1960s and the threat of the 'Communist Domino effect' coming down from Vietnam, which was eventually halted by the Thai's robust actions on their border.

FPDA always stuck Shawn as a Commonwealth 'boys club' with the UK, Australia and New Zealand taking over defence of three former colonies [Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei] until they could defend themselves, which for Singapore was around 1989, and Brunei finally became an independent country in 1984.

As to why there is no American involvement in FPDA is very simple [the US was already operating within the part overlapping SEATO context.]

[see this Wikipedia entry and this one. The latter Wiki entry includes: 

“Thailand was the third-largest provider of ground forces to South Vietnam, following the Americans and South Koreans [in 1967 – 1972].” ]

[Pete comment - Such was my ignorance I was unaware that Thais fought in Vietnam!].

[Later, Wikipedia indicates on Vietnam’s invasion of Cambodia in 1978-79: 

"The [China supported] Khmer Rouge leadership, with much of its political and military structures shattered by the Vietnamese invasion, was forced to take refuge in Thailand. The Thai government under Kriangsak Chamanan accommodated the Khmer Rouge refugees, in exchange for a promise by [China's] Deng Xiaoping to end material support to Thailand's insurgent communists. Despite the overwhelming economic challenges brought by the Khmer Rouge and the accompanying refugees, the Thai Government sheltered and protected the Khmer Rouge at Khao Larn camp in Trat Province." ]

2 comments:

  1. Pete,
    If you ask any South Vietnamese who lived through that phase of the Vietnam War, 99% will say they did not know Thais were there. They for sure have heard about the South Koreans, New Zealanders, the Australians and of course the Americans.
    KQN

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  2. Hi KQN

    The lack of South Vietnamese knowledge that Thais were deployed in the Vietnam War is most puzzling.

    This is despite the Thai casualties recorded here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thailand_in_the_Vietnam_War#Deployment_of_forces_to_South_Vietnam

    "About 40,000 Thai military would serve in South Vietnam, with 351 killed in action and 1,358 wounded."

    1. I'm wondering whether the Thais fighting in Vietnam were "declared" publicized forces or whether they fought within larger US Military Units.

    2. I know the Aus and NZ forces were assigned the same province to fight in for years - so Vietnamese were fully aware of the national identity of those Aus/NZ forces. Maybe Thai forces weren't assigned a provincial area to fight in, in the same way?

    3. Could Thais have been mistaken as being South Vietnamese forces? I'm assuming Thais look and sound so different from Vietnamese that such a mistake in ethnic identity and nationality couldn't be made?

    Regards

    Pete

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