Anonymous kindly provided many details on September 23 to 30, 2020, regarding diesel generators (diesels) and Lithium-ion Batteries (LIBs) for Japan's newest submarines. I have noted these changes in the revised SORYU TABLE below the details.
Anonymous's September 23 to 29, 2020 comments are:
"Japan’s Ministry of Defense (MoD) is building 3,000 ton submarines as successors to the Soryus, and the fourth ship (02SS) [1] will be equipped with new diesels [2].
[1] "SS" numbers and Financial Year names for Japanese submarines are based on the era of reigning Japanese Emperors. So that is the eras of former Emperor "Heisei" and present Emperor "Reiwa". Hence the names of the newest (post Soryu) Japanese submarines are 29SS, 30SS, 01SS and 02SS for Financial Years 2017 (Heisei 29), 2018 (Heisei 30), 2019 (Reiwa 01) and 2020 (Reiwa 02), respectively.
[2] The final two Soryus, which use LIBs, are 27SS and 28SS. LIBs makes them "Soryu Mk IIs". The early New Class 3,000 ton (surfaced) submarines (29SS, 30SS, 01SS) will be equipped with 12V25/31S diesels which are longer stroke versions of the 12V25/25SB used for all Soryus. Performance of new diesel generators for 02SS seems to be improved significantly.
[Pete Comment: the New Class will likely be assigned a name of a Japanese mythological creature (eg. a mermaid or a different dragon than "Soryu", etc)]
02SS will also equip with improved LIBs. The electrical system for LIB-submarines is summarized as follows:
- Soryu Mk IIs (27SS, 28SS): LIBs type SLH (see SLH explationation below); with also have
12V25/25SB diesels
- first 3 subs of the New 3,000 ton Class (29SS, 30SS, 01SS): LIBs type SLH and
2 x 12V25/31S diesels
- 4th sub of 3,000 ton class (02SS): LIBs type improved SLH [1], new diesel [2]
[1] According to the ex-Minister of Defense, improved SLH LIBs with
better performance had been
developed but was not immediately adopted due to defense budget
shortfalls.
[2] As an item for a new diesel was not found in R&D
planning for submarine, a new diesel might be
a 12V25/31S based on an existing diesel (e.g. the 12V25/25SB).
Noise testing by KHI, for new or modified diesels took place in a simulated pressure hull, which was constructed by KHI in 2019. This strongly suggests that the new diesel 02SS is made by KHI ie. Kawasaki.
Judging from specifications of the NDS (National Defense Standard), output of 12V25/25S is 2,000kW and it may be an evolution from the diesel for 29SS (12V25/31S). Output of a new diesel for 02SS is expected to be more than that of 12V25/31S (2,500-2,800kW) and to be 3,000kW or more.
In this case of a 3,000kW-output, the indiscretion ratio (IR) of 02SS might be 4%-5%. As ex-Vice Admiral Masao Kobayashi [see his photo and biodata here] suggested charging of LIBs would be conducted outside the operational sea area. Then the real IR of 02SS may be considerably lower (less than 1%?). [Pete Note: "A submarine’s indiscretion rate [or ratio] is defined as the percentage of time a submarine spends snorting. This indiscretion rate depends strongly on the energy discharged from the batteries and the diesel generators’ capacity to recharge the batteries. Typical snorting indiscretion rates [of LAB submarines] are between five and twenty per cent"]
[1] NDS F80182D [General Rules of Rotating Electric Machine for Ship] 4.1 a) and 4.1 g) specify rated output of AC generator and rated speed AC generator driven diesel, respectively, as follows:
4.1 a) 80, 100, 160, 200, 300,400, 500, 600, 800, 1000, 1200, 1500, 1800, 2000, 2500, 2800, 3000 [kW]
and
4.1 g) 900, 1200 or 1800 [rpm]
[2] SHIPS OF THE WORLD 2020, No930, Page109
“Output of KAWASAKI 12V25/25S for Oyashio is 3400PS
(=2040kW)”
Latest information on battery arrangement for Oryu (27SS), a Soryu Mk II, was reported at [1] below. There, additional LIBs are loaded in a double deck arrangement in place of LOx for AIP tanks [as there is no AIP on Mk IIs] see [2] below.
Then, amount of batteries in Oryu (27SS) and Toryu (28SS)
seem to be twice as much as those in Soryu Mk Is [which have LABs and much space taken up by AIP chemicals and Stirling engines], suggesting loading of 960
LIB-arrays (total energy, 70MWh?). 27SS and 28SS might show better performance
previously reported here, in Submarine Matters.
[1] SHIPS OF THE WORLD 2020, No935
[2] at http://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2016/09/pressure-hull-alloys-debate-titanium.html see the “Cutaway diagram of a Soryu submarine”
In the Oryu (27SS), LOx tanks in section 10 are removed, doubled decker structure is adopted for section 10 and filled with additional LIBs (240 LIB-arrays x 2).
SLH
Japan’s Ministry of Defense (MoD) discloses purchasing information in detail but not perfectly. SLH is a model name of a LIB for submarine. SLH is made by GS YUASA. Specifications of equipment are classified as “old”, “revised” and “new” for existing, revised and new models, respectively.
Specification class of SLH for 02SS in FY2020 is “revised”, suggesting that LIB for 02SS is an improved version of LIBs (“old” SLH) for 01SS. If LIB is fully model changed, new model name is selected and specification is “new”.
Specification of the 2 diesels for 02SS in FY2020 are classified as “new”, suggesting that they are a new model.
By the way, an ex-Vice Admiral (not Kobayashi) of JMSDF said nuclear submarine is needed in future, because even LIB-submarine is still powerless (10% energy of nuclear submarine). RAN might have the same idea for Australia."
Anonymous correction comment of September 30, 2020 is:
12V32/25, 12V32/25S, 12V25/31 are wrong descriptions. Correct description is 12V25/31S [for 29SS, 30SS, 01SS and perhaps 02SS?].
12V25/25S for Oyashio and 12V25/25SB for Soryus [ie. 16SS to 28SS] are correct description.
Meaning of 12V25/25SB means a V12 engine, 25cm in bore, 25cm in stroke, second version (B). In 12V25/25S, A for first version is omitted.
(Life cycle cost of 29SS [New 3,000 ton Class] series)
According to formal report by MoD, when 12 x 29SS are
operated for 24 years, life cycle cost from design to disposal is 1.6 trillion
yen (21 B AUS) except improvement of equipment:
- 37.4 B yen for R&D stage,
- 890 B yen for production stage,
- 671.6 B yen for operation/maintenance stage,
- 0 B yen for disposal stage,
Total = 1.6 trillion yen [1].
[1] In case of 30 years-operation [as in Australia] and one replacement of
sonar system (2B yen per a submarine), life cycle cost for 12 submarines may: be
1.7 trillion yen (22.4 Billion AU$)."
[Pete Comment: This indicates if Australia has chosen a Japanese design Attack class submarine Australia is likely to have saved a vast amount of money.]
[See most of the diesel and battery details incorporated in the revised SORYU TABLE below.]
SS No. Diesel Type Motor | Build No Name | Pennant No. | MoF approved amount ¥ Billions FY | LABs, LIBs, AIP | Laid Down | Laun -ched | Commi ssioned | Built By |
5SS Oyashio | 8105 Oyashio | SS-590/ TS3608 | ¥52.2B FY1993 2 x 12V25/25S diesels for all Oyashio class (each diesel 2,000kW) | LABs only | Jan 1994 | Oct 1996 | Mar 1998 | KHI |
6SS-15SS Oyashios 10 subs SMC-7? | 8106 -8115 various | SS-591-600 | ¥52.2B per sub FY1994-FY2003 | LABs only | 15SS Feb 2004 | 15SS Nov 2006 | 15SS Mar 2008 | MHI & KHI |
16SS Dragon class Mk I | 8116 | SS-501 | ¥60B FY2004 all Mk.1 LAB+AIP Soryus have 2 x Kawasaki 12V25/25SB diesels may total SMC-8 motor | LABs + AIP | Mar 2005 | Dec 2007 | Mar 2009 | MHI |
17SS | 8117 Unryū | SS-502 | ¥58.7B FY2005 | LABs + AIP | Mar 2006 | Oct 2008 | Mar 2010 | KHI |
18SS | 8118 Hakuryū | SS-503 | ¥56.2 FY2006 | LABs + AIP | Feb 2007 | Oct 2009 | Mar 2011 | MHI |
19SS | 8119 Kenryū | SS-504 | ¥53B FY2007 | LABs + AIP | Mar 2008 | Nov 2010 | Mar 2012 | KHI |
20SS | 8120 Zuiryū | SS-505 | ¥51B FY2008 | LABs + AIP | Mar 2009 | Oct 2011 | Mar 2013 | MHI |
21SS LIBs Concept Research Project | No 21SS built. It was an 8 year research project on LIBs. 1st LIBs sub launched was 27SS in 2018. | |||||||
22SS | 8121 Kokuryū | SS-506 | ¥52.8B FY2010 | LABs + AIP | Jan 2011 | Oct 2013 | Mar 2015 | KHI |
23SS | 8122 Jinryu | SS-507 | ¥54.6B FY2011 | LABs + AIP | Feb 2012 | Oct 2014 | 7 Mar 2016 | MHI |
24SS | 8123 Sekiryū | SS-508 | ¥54.7B FY2012 | LABs + AIP | KHI | |||
25SS | 8124 | SS-509 | ¥53.1B FY2013 | LABs + AIP | 22 Oct 2013 | 12 Oct 2016 | MHI | |
26SS | 8125 | SS-510 | LABs + AIP | 2014 | 6 Nov 2017 | KHI | ||
27SS a Soryu "Mk II" as it has LIBs. 1st Soryu Mk II | 8126 | SS-511 | SMC-8B motor Soryu Mk IIs may have twice as many batteries as Mk Is, ie 960 LIB-arrays in Mk IIs, other improvements | LIBs only (SLH type) | Nov 2015 | 4 Oct 2018 | 2020 | MHI |
28SS Soryu Mk II, final Soryu | 8127 | SS-512 | SLH LIBs | Jan 2017 | Mar 2021? | KHI | ||
29SS First 3,000 ton | 8128 Taigei | ¥76B FY2017 (Heisei 29) Higher ¥76B budget may be due to being first of new Taigei class with new 12V25/31S diesels (each 2,500-2,800kW?) | SLH LIBs maybe 960 | 2017? | 14 Oct 2020 | Mar 2022 | MHI | |
30SS New Class named
after | SS-513 | ¥71.5B FY2018 (Heisei 30) 12V25/31S diesels | SLH LIBs | 2018? | 2020? | 2022? | MHI? | |
01SS New Class | 8029? | SS-514 | ¥B? FY2019 (Reiwa 01) 12V25/31S diesels | SLH LIBs maybe 960+ | 2019? | 2021? | 2023? | KHI? |
02SS New Class | 8030? | SS-515 | ¥B? FY2020 (Reiwa 02) Improved SLH LIBS 2 x Diesels uprated 12V25/31S or newer (each likely | Impro ved SLH LIBs | 2020? | 2022? | 2024? | MHI? |
03SS | 8031? | SS-516 | ¥B? FY2021 | LIBs | 2021? | 2023? | 2025? | KHI? |
04SS | 8032? | SS-517 | ¥B? FY2022 | LIBs | 2022? | 2024? | 2026? | MHI? |
05SS | 8033? | SS-518 | ¥B? FY2023 | LIBs | 2023? | 2025? | 2027? | KHI? |
06SS | 8034? | SS-519 | ¥B? FY2024 | LIBs | 2024? | 2026? | 2028? | MHI? |
07SS | 8035? | SS-520 | ¥B? FY2025 | LIBs | 2025? | 2027? | 2029? | KHI? |
08SS | 8036? | SS-521 | ¥B? FY2026 | LIBs | 2026? | 2028? | 2030? | MHI? |
¥***B = Billion Yen. MHI = Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, KHI = Kawasaki Shipbuilding Corporation of Kawasaki Heavy Industries.
Anonymous and Pete
Hi Pete
ReplyDelete(Correction)
12V32/25, 12V32/25S, 12V25/31 are wrong descriptions. Correct description is 12V25/31S.
12V25/25S for Oyashio and 12V25/25SB for Soryu are correct description.
Meaning of 12V25/25SB is V12engine, 25cm in bore, 25cm in stroke, second version (B). In 12V25/25S, A for first version is omitted.
(Life cycle cost of 29SS series)
According to formal report by MoD, when 12 x 29SS are operated for 24 years, life cycle cost from design to disposal is 1.6 trillion yen (21 B AUS) except improvement of equipment.
37.4 B yen at R&D stage, 890 B yen at production stage, 671.6 B yen at operation/maintenance stage, 0 B yen at disposal stage, total 1.6 trillion yen [1].
[1] In case of 30 years-operation and one replacement of sonar system (2B yen per a submarine), life cycle cost for 12 submarines may be 1.7 trillion yen (22.4 B AUS).
Regards
Hi Pete
ReplyDeletePrices of SLH for Soryu MKII (27SS Oryu, 28SS Toryu) and 3000t-submarine (8.6 B yen for 29SS, 8.4 B yen for 30SS) are nearly same suggesting followings.
First, unit price of LIB module is 8.75 million yen (8.4 B yen/960 modules) nearly three times as expensive as corresponding LAB, and significantly cheaper than previously considered [1].
Second, 3000t-submarine equips with same amount of LIBs as Soryu MKII [2, 3, 4].
[1] Prices of 480 LABs and 4 Starling AIPs for Soryu MK I are 1.5 (unit price of LAB: 3 million yen). Cost of underwater electricity supply system (LIBs) of Soryu MKII and 3000t submarine is nearly twice expensive compared with Soryu MKI (LABs and AIPs).
[2] Maximum power output Oryu, Soryu MKII is reduced to 4200kW from 6000kW for Soryu MKI suggesting maximum speed of 18knot/h for Oryu from 20knot/h for Soryu MKI [8knot/20knot)^3*6000kW=4200kW].
I doubt achievement of maximum speed of 20knot/h in Soryu MKI causes problems such as permanent damage of propulsion system, then reduction of maximum speed to 18knot/h, realistic value is conducted in Soryu MKII to avoid said problems.
[3] Judging from direction of R&D for submarine by MoD, undetected performances including quietness and maximum silent speed are improved for Soryu MKII and 3000t submarine.
[4] In Soryu MKII based on AIP loading structure, additional LIBs are loaded in a double decker manner in LOx tank section of Soryu MKI, which provides increased center of gravity. Optimization of arrangement of LIBs such as all bottom arrangement might be conducted for 3000t-submarine with newly developed non-AIP structure.
Regards