September 30, 2020

Soryu and New Japanese Submarine Class Table

Anonymous kindly provided many details on September 23 to 30, 2020, regarding diesel generators (diesels) and Lithium-ion Batteries (LIBs) for Japan's newest submarines. I have noted these changes in the revised  SORYU TABLE below the details.

Anonymous's September 23 to 29, 2020 comments are:

"Japan’s Ministry of Defense (MoD) is building 3,000 ton submarines as successors to the Soryus, and the fourth ship (02SS) [1] will be equipped with new diesels [2].

[1] "SS" numbers and Financial Year names for Japanese submarines are based on the era of reigning Japanese Emperors. So that is the eras of former Emperor "Heisei" and present Emperor "Reiwa". Hence the names of the newest (post Soryu) Japanese submarines are 29SS, 30SS, 01SS and 02SS for Financial Years 2017 (Heisei 29), 2018 (Heisei 30), 2019 (Reiwa 01) and 2020 (Reiwa 02), respectively.

[2] The final two Soryus, which use LIBs, are 27SS and 28SS. LIBs makes them "Soryu Mk IIs". The early New Class 3,000 ton (surfaced) submarines (29SS, 30SS, 01SS) will be equipped with 12V25/31S diesels which are longer stroke versions of the 12V25/25SB used for all Soryus. Performance of new diesel generators for 02SS seems to be improved significantly.

[Pete Comment: the New Class will likely be assigned a name of a Japanese mythological creature (eg. a mermaid or a different dragon than "Soryu", etc)] 

02SS will also equip with improved LIBs. The electrical system for LIB-submarines is summarized as follows:

-  Soryu Mk IIs (27SS, 28SS): LIBs type SLH (see SLH explationation below); with also have  
   12V25/25SB diesels

-  first 3 subs of the New 3,000 ton Class (29SS, 30SS, 01SS): LIBs type SLH and
   2 x 12V25/31S diesels

-  4th sub of 3,000 ton class (02SS): LIBs type improved SLH [1], new diesel [2]

[1]  According to the ex-Minister of Defense, improved SLH LIBs with better performance had been
       developed but was not immediately adopted due to defense budget shortfalls.

[2]  As an item for a new diesel was not found in R&D planning for submarine, a new diesel might be
       a 12V25/31S based on an existing diesel (e.g. the 12V25/25SB).

Noise testing by KHI, for new or modified diesels took place in a simulated pressure hull, which was constructed by KHI in 2019. This strongly suggests that the new diesel 02SS is made by KHI ie. Kawasaki.

Judging from specifications of the NDS (National Defense Standard), output of 12V25/25S is 2,000kW  and it may be an evolution from the diesel for 29SS (12V25/31S). Output of a new diesel for 02SS is expected to be more than that of 12V25/31S (2,500-2,800kW) and to be 3,000kW or more.

In this case of a 3,000kW-output, the indiscretion ratio (IR) of 02SS might be 4%-5%. As ex-Vice Admiral Masao Kobayashi [see his photo and biodata here] suggested charging of LIBs would be conducted outside the operational sea area. Then the real IR of 02SS may be considerably lower (less than 1%?). [Pete Note: "A submarine’s indiscretion rate [or ratio] is defined as the percentage of time a submarine spends snorting. This indiscretion rate depends strongly on the energy discharged from the batteries and the diesel generators’ capacity to recharge the batteries. Typical snorting indiscretion rates [of LAB submarines] are between five and twenty per cent"]

[1] NDS F80182D [General Rules of Rotating Electric Machine for Ship] 4.1 a) and 4.1 g) specify rated output of AC generator and rated speed AC generator driven diesel, respectively, as follows:

4.1 a) 80, 100, 160, 200, 300,400, 500, 600, 800, 1000, 1200, 1500, 1800, 2000, 2500, 2800, 3000 [kW]

and

4.1 g) 900, 1200 or 1800 [rpm]

[2] SHIPS OF THE WORLD 2020, No930, Page109

“Output of KAWASAKI 12V25/25S for Oyashio is 3400PS (=2040kW)”

Latest information on battery arrangement for Oryu (27SS), a Soryu Mk II, was reported at [1] below. There, additional LIBs are loaded in a double deck arrangement in place of LOx for AIP tanks [as there is no AIP on Mk IIs] see [2] below. 

Then, amount of batteries in Oryu (27SS) and Toryu (28SS) seem to be twice as much as those in Soryu Mk Is [which have LABs and much space taken up by AIP chemicals and Stirling engines], suggesting loading of 960 LIB-arrays (total energy, 70MWh?). 27SS and 28SS might show better performance previously reported here, in Submarine Matters.

[1] SHIPS OF THE WORLD 2020, No935

[2] at http://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2016/09/pressure-hull-alloys-debate-titanium.html see the “Cutaway diagram of a Soryu submarine”

In the Oryu (27SS), LOx tanks in section 10 are removed, doubled decker structure is adopted for section 10 and filled with additional LIBs (240 LIB-arrays x 2).

SLH

Japan’s Ministry of Defense (MoD) discloses purchasing information in detail but not perfectly. SLH is a model name of a LIB for submarine. SLH is made by GS YUASA. Specifications of equipment are classified as “old”, “revised” and “new” for existing, revised and new models, respectively.

Specification class of SLH for 02SS in FY2020 is “revised”, suggesting that LIB for 02SS is an  improved version of LIBs (“old” SLH) for 01SS. If LIB is fully model changed, new model name is selected and specification is “new”.

Specification of the 2 diesels for 02SS in FY2020 are classified as “new”, suggesting that they are a new model.

 In 27SS, improvements other than LIBs are achieved, and 28SS Toryu improves 27SS somewhat.

By the way, an ex-Vice Admiral (not Kobayashi) of JMSDF said nuclear submarine is needed in future, because even LIB-submarine is still powerless (10% energy of nuclear submarine). RAN might have the same idea for Australia."

Anonymous correction comment of September 30, 2020 is:

12V32/25, 12V32/25S, 12V25/31 are wrong descriptions. Correct description is 12V25/31S [for 29SS, 30SS, 01SS and perhaps 02SS?]

12V25/25S for Oyashio and 12V25/25SB for Soryus [ie. 16SS to 28SS] are correct description. 

Meaning of 12V25/25SB means a V12 engine, 25cm in bore, 25cm in stroke, second version (B). In 12V25/25S, A for first version is omitted. 

(Life cycle cost of 29SS [New 3,000 ton Class] series) 

According to formal report by MoD, when 12 x 29SS are operated for 24 years, life cycle cost from design to disposal is 1.6 trillion yen (21 B AUS) except improvement of equipment:
-  37.4 B yen for R&D stage,
-  890 B yen for production stage,
-  671.6 B yen for operation/maintenance stage,
-  0 B yen for disposal stage,
Total = 1.6 trillion yen [1].

[1] In case of 30 years-operation [as in Australia] and one replacement of sonar system (2B yen per a submarine), life cycle cost for 12 submarines may: be 1.7 trillion yen (22.4 Billion AU$)."
[Pete Comment: This indicates if Australia has chosen a Japanese design Attack class submarine Australia is likely to have saved a vast amount of money.]

[See most of the diesel and battery details incorporated in the revised SORYU TABLE below.]

SORYU TABLE. as at October 1, 2020. 

SS
No.
Diesel Type
Motor
Build No
Name
Pennant
No.
MoF approved amount ¥
Billions FY
LABs, LIBs, AIP
Laid Down
Laun
-ched
Commi
ssioned
Built
By
5SS Oyashio
8105 Oyashio
SS-590/ TS3608
¥52.2B FY1993
2 x 12V25/25S 
diesels for all
Oyashio class
(each diesel
2,000kW)
LABs only
 Jan 1994
Oct 1996
Mar 1998
 KHI
6SS-15SS
Oyashios 
10 subs
SMC-7?
8106
-8115
various
SS-591-600
¥52.2B per sub
FY1994-FY2003
LABs only
 15SS Feb
2004
15SS
Nov
2006
15SS
Mar 2008
 MHI
&
KHI
16SS
Dragon
class  Mk I
8116
SS-501
¥60B FY2004 all Mk.1 LAB+AIP Soryus have 2 x Kawasaki 
12V25/25SB 
diesels may total
(6,000kW
sidebar)
see and + 4 AIP
SMC-8 motor
LABs + AIP
Mar 2005
Dec 2007
Mar
2009
MHI
17SS
8117
Unryū
SS-502
¥58.7B FY2005
LABs + AIP
Mar 2006
Oct 2008
Mar
2010
KHI
18SS
8118
Hakuryū
SS-503
¥56.2 FY2006
LABs + AIP
Feb 2007
Oct 2009
Mar
2011
MHI
19SS
8119
Kenryū
SS-504
¥53B FY2007
LABs + AIP
Mar 2008
Nov 2010
Mar
2012
KHI
20SS
8120
Zuiryū
SS-505
¥51B FY2008
LABs + AIP
Mar 2009
Oct 2011
Mar
2013
MHI
21SS LIBs Concept
Research
Project
No 21SS built. It was an 8 year research project on LIBs. 1st LIBs sub launched was 27SS in 2018.
   


22SS
8121
Kokuryū
SS-506
¥52.8B FY2010
LABs + AIP
Jan 2011
Oct 2013
Mar
2015
KHI
23SS
8122
Jinryu
SS-507
¥54.6B FY2011
LABs + AIP
Feb 2012
Oct 2014
7 Mar 2016
MHI
24SS
8123
Sekiryū
SS-508
¥54.7B FY2012
LABs + AIP
KHI
25SS
8124
SS-509
¥53.1B FY2013
LABs + AIP
22 Oct 2013
12 Oct   2016
MHI
26SS
8125
SS-510
¥51.7B FY2014
last SMC-8 motor
LABs + AIP
2014
6 Nov 2017
KHI
27SS a Soryu
"Mk II" as it
has LIBs. 1st
Soryu Mk II 
8126
Oryū
11th
Soryu
SS-511
¥64.4B FY2015 
with 2 12V25/25SB diesels (totaling 4,200kW) 
SMC-8B motor
Soryu Mk IIs may have twice as many batteries as Mk Is, ie 960 LIB-arrays in Mk IIs, other improvements
LIBs only
(SLH type)
Nov
2015
4 Oct
2018
2020
MHI
28SS Soryu
Mk II, 12th &
final Soryu
8127
SS-512
¥63.6B FY2016
still 12V25/25SB
"2,900t" surfaced
SLH
LIBs
Jan 2017
Mar 2021?
KHI
29SS
First 
3,000 ton
8128
Taigei
¥76B FY2017 (Heisei 29)
Higher ¥76budget may be due to being first of new Taigei class with  new 12V25/31S 
diesels (each 2,500-2,800kW?)
SLH
LIBs
maybe
960
2017?

14 Oct
2020 
Mar 2022
MHI

30SS 
New Class named after

SS-513
¥71.5B FY2018 
(Heisei 30)
12V25/31S
diesels
SLH
LIBs
2018?
2020?
2022?
MHI?
01SS 
New Class
8029?
SS-514
¥B? FY2019 (Reiwa 01)
12V25/31S 
diesels
SLH
LIBs
maybe
960+
2019?
2021?
2023?
KHI?
02SS 
New Class 
8030?
SS-515
¥B? FY2020 (Reiwa 02)
Improved SLH LIBS

2 x Diesels uprated
12V25/31S or newer
 (each likely 3,000+kW?)
Impro
ved SLH
LIBs
2020?
2022?
2024?
MHI?
03SS
8031?
SS-516
¥B? FY2021
LIBs 
2021?
2023?
2025?
KHI?
04SS
8032?
SS-517
¥B? FY2022
LIBs
2022?
2024?
2026?
MHI?
05SS 
8033?
SS-518
¥B? FY2023
LIBs
2023?
2025?
2027?
KHI?
06SS
8034?
SS-519
¥B? FY2024
LIBs 
2024?
2026?
2028?
MHI?
07SS 
8035?
SS-520
¥B? FY2025
LIBs
2025?
2027?
2029?
KHI?
08SS 
8036?
SS-521
¥B? FY2026

LIBs
2026?
2028?2030?
MHI?
Key to Table: Table information exclusively provided to Submarine MattersLABs = lead-acid batteries, AIP = air independent propulsion, LIB= Lithium-ion Batteries. 
¥***B
 = Billion Yen. MHI = Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, KHI = Kawasaki Shipbuilding Corporation of Kawasaki Heavy Industries. 
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Anonymous and Pete

2 comments:

  1. Hi Pete

    (Correction)
    12V32/25, 12V32/25S, 12V25/31 are wrong descriptions. Correct description is 12V25/31S.

    12V25/25S for Oyashio and 12V25/25SB for Soryu are correct description.

    Meaning of 12V25/25SB is V12engine, 25cm in bore, 25cm in stroke, second version (B). In 12V25/25S, A for first version is omitted.


    (Life cycle cost of 29SS series)

    According to formal report by MoD, when 12 x 29SS are operated for 24 years, life cycle cost from design to disposal is 1.6 trillion yen (21 B AUS) except improvement of equipment.

    37.4 B yen at R&D stage, 890 B yen at production stage, 671.6 B yen at operation/maintenance stage, 0 B yen at disposal stage, total 1.6 trillion yen [1].

    [1] In case of 30 years-operation and one replacement of sonar system (2B yen per a submarine), life cycle cost for 12 submarines may be 1.7 trillion yen (22.4 B AUS).

    Regards

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  2. Hi Pete

    Prices of SLH for Soryu MKII (27SS Oryu, 28SS Toryu) and 3000t-submarine (8.6 B yen for 29SS, 8.4 B yen for 30SS) are nearly same suggesting followings.

    First, unit price of LIB module is 8.75 million yen (8.4 B yen/960 modules) nearly three times as expensive as corresponding LAB, and significantly cheaper than previously considered [1].

    Second, 3000t-submarine equips with same amount of LIBs as Soryu MKII [2, 3, 4].

    [1] Prices of 480 LABs and 4 Starling AIPs for Soryu MK I are 1.5 (unit price of LAB: 3 million yen). Cost of underwater electricity supply system (LIBs) of Soryu MKII and 3000t submarine is nearly twice expensive compared with Soryu MKI (LABs and AIPs).

    [2] Maximum power output Oryu, Soryu MKII is reduced to 4200kW from 6000kW for Soryu MKI suggesting maximum speed of 18knot/h for Oryu from 20knot/h for Soryu MKI [8knot/20knot)^3*6000kW=4200kW].

    I doubt achievement of maximum speed of 20knot/h in Soryu MKI causes problems such as permanent damage of propulsion system, then reduction of maximum speed to 18knot/h, realistic value is conducted in Soryu MKII to avoid said problems.

    [3] Judging from direction of R&D for submarine by MoD, undetected performances including quietness and maximum silent speed are improved for Soryu MKII and 3000t submarine.

    [4] In Soryu MKII based on AIP loading structure, additional LIBs are loaded in a double decker manner in LOx tank section of Soryu MKI, which provides increased center of gravity. Optimization of arrangement of LIBs such as all bottom arrangement might be conducted for 3000t-submarine with newly developed non-AIP structure.

    Regards

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