tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post8318798127439304962..comments2024-03-29T11:12:54.229+11:00Comments on Submarine Matters & Australian Nuclear Weapons: Ex-PM Abbott doubts wisdom of Australia's future submarine choicePete2http://www.blogger.com/profile/06134037393078707072noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-39573031111290795262017-07-13T23:33:27.701+10:002017-07-13T23:33:27.701+10:00Hi Pete
Once US ambassador admitted export of Vir...Hi Pete<br /><br />Once US ambassador admitted export of Virginia subs to Australia, but, now situation has changed. Last year, secret imformation on CEP had consecutively leaked at real time.The Federal Police had started investigation on the leakage more than years ago, but, any result is yet reported. This proves that the information security system collapse and that Turnbull Administration has no will nor ability to establish and maintain the information security system. <br /><br />Discussion on nuclear submarine by many Australian journals except Submarine Matters lack view point of information security which is prerequisite of export of Virginia subs.<br /><br />Regards<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-6915505953464247802017-07-08T15:39:02.378+10:002017-07-08T15:39:02.378+10:00Hi Josh and Ztev
On the lack of admitted Australi...Hi Josh and Ztev<br /><br />On the lack of admitted Australian submarine surveillance of that Russian flotilla in 2014.<br /><br />I said in 2014 http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=16875 "a US nuclear propelled attack submarine of the Los Angeles or Virginia class may have shadowed the Russian force from its surface fleet base at Vladivostok (see map) then southwards to Australia." and I still think US SSN surveillance was likely.<br /><br />Also the Russian flotilla may have been protected by a Russian Akula SSN - a "regionally superior" submarine that Australian SSKs (Collins or Shortfin) couldn't - won't be able to handle in blue-water scenerios.<br /><br />Yes Australia will need to buy SSNs sooner or later. Advantage of buying the Naval Group (was DCNS) Shortfin first is that Naval Group will appreciate the $Billions Australia has already sunk into the Shortfin.<br /><br />Also the (non-proliferation champion) US has not been convincing in its readiness to supply its world superior SSN technology to other countries (other than the UK RN). Meanwhile any UK readiness is constrained by US restrictions on re-export of much US technology that is in UK SSNs and SSBNs (including the reactors).<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-55567769621659366772017-07-08T15:21:17.400+10:002017-07-08T15:21:17.400+10:00Hi Ztev
I haven't ever heard "previous b...Hi Ztev<br /><br />I haven't ever heard "previous base in Sydney was too far from the area of interest in SE Asia". More likely Sydney Harbour was getting too congested with civilian ship and ferry traffic and also the RAN wanted a better balance of ships/subs between Fleet Bases West and East.<br /><br />Submarines:<br /><br />- usually have there major bases next to large cities for manpower and other support services, and <br /><br />- are usually based far from potential threats if possible. Hence in WWII US and UK submarines were based at Fremantle (near Perth) and at Brisbane - both ports being far from threatening Japanese airpower.<br /><br />See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Australian_Navy_Submarine_Service#1914_to_1945 :<br /><br />"The Australian ports of Fremantle and Brisbane were important bases for Allied submarines during World War II. A total of 122 United States Navy, 31 Royal Navy, and 11 Royal Netherlands Navy submarines conducted patrols from Australian bases between 1942 and 1945. Fremantle was the second largest Allied submarine base in the Pacific Theatre after Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.[10]"<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-21792998660474939652017-07-07T23:08:21.843+10:002017-07-07T23:08:21.843+10:00@Pete:
As noted above, I find it hard to fathom t...@Pete:<br /><br />As noted above, I find it hard to fathom that no advanced warning was given. I also find it hard to understand how at least a single intercept could not have been arranged. Russia formations are limited by their ocean going tugs top speed of about a dozen knots; they shouldn't have been challenging to catch with some warning.<br /><br />That said I don't see how the RAN could go nuclear unless it did an off the shelf buy from the RN,MN, or USN and let them do the maintenance. The infrastructure for nuclear support is too extensive.<br /><br />But I have always been of the opinion that RAN should have bought a different boat. The French boat will have nothing in common with its nuclear counter part outside hull shape.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />JoshJoshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-70790842177239271242017-07-07T16:55:59.873+10:002017-07-07T16:55:59.873+10:00Isnt the question 'Why does Australia have a ...Isnt the question 'Why does Australia have a submarine base in Perth , after deciding the previous base in Sydney was too far from the area of interest in SE Asia' ?<br />As for the Russian task force, surely the intel would have given some indications of its progress and it would <br /> certainly have been of interest to submarines from China, Japan, Singapore, US.Ztev Konradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06553128132098513643noreply@blogger.com