tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post7598232215416653457..comments2024-03-28T21:57:32.099+11:00Comments on Submarine Matters & Australian Nuclear Weapons: Penske MTU 4000 competition to Kawasaki Diesel for Submarine - PART FOURPete2http://www.blogger.com/profile/06134037393078707072noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-61820941308323025992018-03-10T16:47:07.666+11:002018-03-10T16:47:07.666+11:00MHalblaub
You are forgetting about lithium-ion ba...MHalblaub<br /><br />You are forgetting about lithium-ion batteries. All the majors are working on them. Japan it appears will be the first in the water & they are eliminating AIP on the basis that it won't be needed. Naval Group say the technology is not there yet, but its at least 10 years before any Shortfins are in the water & the French are definately working on Li batteries, as are the Germans & of course Japan.<br /><br />All eyes will be on Japan. As soon as the technology is proven safe (if it is), I expect Australia will go that way. It may be sub 1, it may be sub 6 or whatever but I very much doubt all 12 will be lead acid battery. If we can make it by sub 1, I expect Canada to be very interested - sub 6 or 9 may be a little too late for them.<br /><br />Regards<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-27386928428639159312018-01-29T23:42:20.561+11:002018-01-29T23:42:20.561+11:00Dear Anonymous ,
Australian main specs for submar...Dear Anonymous ,<br /><br />Australian main specs for submarine were high transit speeds. Canada has some ice around its borders. Therefore a submarine able to stay submerged for longer times would suit Canada better. That is either nuclear propulsion or fuel cell AIP: French Suffren-class or German Type 21something. <br /><br />Regards,<br />MHalblaubAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-68383934420297861652018-01-28T17:31:01.376+11:002018-01-28T17:31:01.376+11:00I have to agree with MHalblaub. MTU is one of the ...I have to agree with MHalblaub. MTU is one of the worlds leading diesel engine makers, including for trucks (mainly mining), armoured vehicles, trains, ships, submarines, tractors, industrial gen sets etc. Even if its an Australian only engine, you will have the full weight of MTU behind it(MTU is also a major naval engine supplier to Australia - something they don't want to risk). Any 2mw sub engine is going to almost be an orphan engine whoever makes it (ie world market is a little limited). Would MTU be interested? I certainly think so. 12 subs x 4 engines = 48 engines. Plus if the Shortfin lives up to expectations, there is the potential for Canada as well.<br /><br />RegardsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-62389506552681295602018-01-28T14:46:22.424+11:002018-01-28T14:46:22.424+11:00Hi
Yes I agree there are different degrees of Orp...Hi<br /><br />Yes I agree there are different degrees of Orphaness - which is the opposite of Military-Off-The-Shelf (MOTS), See MOTS questions at http://gentleseas.blogspot.com.au/2018/01/australian-future-subs-diesel-generator_3.html .<br /><br />Australia should choose MAN, MTU (was 396 now a 4000 with more cylinders) or Kawasaki diesels. <br /><br />Australia should avoid the temptation of developing of a small company (like Hedemora) ORPHAN diesel. Even if this lifts that small company's financial fortunes in building a "whole" 24 new Orphan diesels specialised for Australia's 12 new subs.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-12847052399777903202018-01-26T20:39:18.868+11:002018-01-26T20:39:18.868+11:00Dear Pete,
I think there is a big difference betw...Dear Pete,<br /><br />I think there is a big difference between an orphan engine and an orphan submarine engine. <br /><br />Garden Island- Hedemora V18B14SUB is an orphan engine while the MTU 4000 is produced in all variations since 1997. <br /><br />MTU 20V 4000 might by an orphan submarine engine but the core engine is well known (spare parts and vibration scheme). Add ons for submarine use like air supply are known from MTU 396 and MTU 12V 4000. <br /><br />Regards,<br />MHalblaubAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com