tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post6683771433586206606..comments2024-03-28T21:57:32.099+11:00Comments on Submarine Matters & Australian Nuclear Weapons: Taiwan's Replacement Submarine Hopes. US won't help.Pete2http://www.blogger.com/profile/06134037393078707072noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-3566028565051569982015-08-10T03:46:20.454+10:002015-08-10T03:46:20.454+10:00Hi Pete,
I think the problem with Taiwan is that t...Hi Pete,<br />I think the problem with Taiwan is that they want to US to build them SSK submarines. The US Navy doesn't build SSK Submarines anymore. What I think may work is that the US provides technical assistance to Taiwan and let Taiwan build their own submarines.<br /><br />I propose an updated Barbel class Submarine with large Li-ion Battery capacity and a diesel back up. I would give them the blueprints and the steel for them to build the Barbel class Submarines and provide technical assistance on the same level that the US did for Spain, when Spain's S-80 class Submarine had a weight issue.<br /><br />I also think Taiwan still has the Blueprints for the Hai Lung-class submarine and they should consider building an upgraded version based on the Hai Lung-class Hai Lung-class submarine.<br /><br />What Taiwan needs to build is smaller SSK submarines on the level of the Kobben class Submarine, Type 205 class Submarine and Type 206 class Submarine. At least smaller that are 500 tons can get them started and going.Nickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15318590507921043958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-85303179942258165832015-08-09T14:48:01.080+10:002015-08-09T14:48:01.080+10:00Hi MHalblaub
Yes Taiwan should develop much of th...Hi MHalblaub<br /><br />Yes Taiwan should develop much of the future sub submarine - But also attracting basic US help [eg submarine steel]. US could supply 500 ton plans. <br /><br />Some inspiration from Korea's http://survincity.com/2012/12/small-submarine-kss-500a-south-korea/ design which considers various propulsion types. I agree - basically large Li-ion Battery capacity - no diesel, no battery generator required. 400mm torpedos as used in Baltic - 10 or 12 torpedo tubes - no reloads. Small crew of 10 or less.<br /><br />I think our concept proposal should be worth $300 million when we sell it to US-Taiwan :) <br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-27219826782028718502015-08-09T13:42:43.315+10:002015-08-09T13:42:43.315+10:00Hi Nicky [at August 6, 2015 at 2:35 PM and August ...Hi Nicky [at August 6, 2015 at 2:35 PM and August 9, 2015 at 2:06 AM]<br /><br />I really think Russia values relations with China (including China buying Russian gas) more highly than Russia committing to a problematic sale of subs to Taiwan. US is too wise to get involved in helping sell Putin's subs to Taiwan. <br /><br />Taiwan's only hope is US assistance building subs in Taiwan after US 2016 Election under an anti-communist US Republican President.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />Pete<br />Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-7243152611324527752015-08-09T02:06:41.222+10:002015-08-09T02:06:41.222+10:00I know, it's 2015 and taiwan should get off it...I know, it's 2015 and taiwan should get off it's @$$ and make the deal with Russia on improved Kilo class SSK, Lada or Amur class SSK.Nickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15318590507921043958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-35960628887098878332015-08-08T09:34:49.186+10:002015-08-08T09:34:49.186+10:00Oh my good,
it is 2015. Taiwan should get up its @...Oh my good,<br />it is 2015. Taiwan should get up its @$$ and develop its own submarine. No diesel engine, no AIP just some batteries of what kind ever. This is far enough to defend an island. No big fat 21'' torpedoes even a smaller kind would do it. A submarine with 12 smaller torpedoes without reloads. A rather small crew because there is no diesel engine to maintain. <br /><br />The only thing Taiwan needs are good torpedoes. Therefore Taiwan needs good acoustic sensors. This is brainware Taiwan could produce. Try and test the torpedoes. That's it. A submarine to deliver the payload is a 19th century gimmick. <br /><br />Regards,<br />MHalblaubMHalblaubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14234020711635190127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-8976151775153077072015-08-06T14:35:05.826+10:002015-08-06T14:35:05.826+10:00Hi Pete,
I think for Taiwan, Russia is their only...Hi Pete, <br />I think for Taiwan, Russia is their only option because Russia can put the hurt on China and can even resist chinese pressure. For Taiwan, I think they can get an Improve Kilo class SSK, Lada class SSK or Amur class SSK and add American weapons and systems. Which I think the US should pressure Taiwan to make a deal with Russia on SSK Submarines.Nickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15318590507921043958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-28866233614266095592015-08-06T14:09:57.552+10:002015-08-06T14:09:57.552+10:00Hi Nicky
As only the US and Russia have the polit...Hi Nicky<br /><br />As only the US and Russia have the political and military power to resist Chinese pressure Taiwan buying Russian designed/built subs may be Taiwan's best chance. The US would not underwrite the deal. I agree Taiwan can buy direct from Russia at commercial prices.<br /><br />Second hand subs for Taiwan would be inferior and would bring all the political problems of new purchases. <br /><br />US doesn't want Taiwan to build subs as US knows Taiwan would rely on US in the build in many ways.<br /><br />Only Russia and China have had the industrial base to reverse engineer very large weapons system like subs. Taiwan is not big enough.<br /><br />It seems India would not help Taiwan against China unless China helped Pakistan with subs against India.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-44748869684515654852015-08-06T03:53:56.114+10:002015-08-06T03:53:56.114+10:00Hi Pete,
My take on this is that Taiwan and Russia...Hi Pete,<br />My take on this is that Taiwan and Russia should get together on Submarine Design and construction. I know Russia needs the cash and China wants Submarines. I think for Taiwan, they should look at buying into the Improved Kilo class Submarine, Lada class Submarine or Amur class Submarine. I can see Taiwan going for the Amur 1650 and the US underwrites the deal and helps Taiwan buy the Submarine for them. I think Russia can handle China because Russia knows that it can contain China in more ways than one. Even if China were to protest, Russia would still sell it cause to Russia it's all business and they need the cash.<br /><br />A good example is that China operates Kilo class SSK's and now Vietnam Operates Kilo class SSK's. Taiwan should do the same and make a direct buy from Russia on the Kilo class SSK, Lada class SSK or Amur class SSK.<br /><br />On one hand if Taiwan can get their hands on second hand submarines, that would be another option for them and their are plenty of 2nd hand submarines that are being retired and it can breathe some life into them.<br /><br />Though in the end, I think the US should start forcing Taiwan to build their own submarines and they should take a page from Mossad by having Taiwan send their people out to places that build submarines. Learn all the skills and bring back the skill sets back to Taiwan. At the same time they should reverse engineer the Hai Lung-class submarine and start building their own copies of the Hai Lung-class submarine. I think they did get the Blueprints for them and they have the makings to build their own. They just need the US to provide technical advice on how to build them.<br /><br />I know India is not on good terms with China and if India wanted to thumb their noses at China, they would consider selling their second hand submarines to Taiwan or even show Taiwan how to build submarines and pass on the skills and knowledge to them.Nickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15318590507921043958noreply@blogger.com