tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post4356767412708350669..comments2024-03-30T00:07:23.760+11:00Comments on Submarine Matters & Australian Nuclear Weapons: Russian Missiles Aimed at IS Targets in Syria - but 4 crash in IranPete2http://www.blogger.com/profile/06134037393078707072noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-76868355245012190812015-10-11T13:29:07.625+11:002015-10-11T13:29:07.625+11:00Hi Anonymous [at October 11, 2015 at 9:06 AM]
It ...Hi Anonymous [at October 11, 2015 at 9:06 AM]<br /><br />It would be just like Indonesia to want to buy Scorpene 1000s (with shortish range SM-39 Block 3 Exocet SLCMs)<br /><br />- to supplement 2 or more Russian Kilos it may also buy<br /><br />- to supplement the 3 Chang Bogos (Type 209s) that Indonesia is actually buying from South Korea.<br /><br />The benefits to Indonesia in terms of different supply chains, training, simulators and interoperability issues of three distinctly different submarine types would also benefit Indonesia’s strategic competitors.<br /><br />Yes the 26 cruise missile launch is very significant politico-strategically as the US and other Tomahawk users no longer have a working LACM monopoly.<br /><br />The more instability Russia causes in the Middle East the higher world oil prices will tend to rise to benefit the oil price commodity dependent Russian economy. In a circular way Putin can use the extra revenue to fund more weapons in more overseas military ventures. The US would not use a similar dynamic – of course.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-66486297113871704932015-10-11T13:13:55.369+11:002015-10-11T13:13:55.369+11:00Hi Anonymous [at October 11, 2015 at 8:56 AM]
Tha...Hi Anonymous [at October 11, 2015 at 8:56 AM]<br /><br />Thanks for your very detailed and knowledgable comments.<br /><br />As well as the difficulty of ascertaining diameter and length of the 26 cruise missiles, according to current standard scales, it is not known whether they are specific first time operational variants with wholey new dimensions, weights and engine components.<br /><br />I was unaware of the reliability issues with the Tomahawk as the US and other users (like the UK) don’t advertise “impacted off course” Tomahawk shots. <br /><br />The likelihood of some unreliability will have to be factored in by Australian defence planners as Tomahawks are one of the major items (with the US submarine combat system for targeting them) that Australia wants in its future Australian submarine project (SEA 1000).<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-24782420212548691732015-10-11T09:06:26.030+11:002015-10-11T09:06:26.030+11:00I believe there is a possibility Indonesia will bu...I believe there is a possibility Indonesia will buy the Scorpene 1000 to supplement the Russian purchase. A big portion of the SCS is very shallow. What the Scorpene 1000 compares unfavorably is with the SM-39 Block 3 whose range is only 180km next to the Klub.<br /><br />I agree that LACM saw the light back in 1991. But what Russia just demonstrated is the US no longer has the monopoly on LACM (the event weakens the US strategic position globally), and as a worldwide marketing campaign for the Klub (given where oil price is), it is a great coup. One can never count the bear out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-91635409616826401172015-10-11T08:56:25.725+11:002015-10-11T08:56:25.725+11:00The Kalibr for domestic consupmtion and Klub for e...The Kalibr for domestic consupmtion and Klub for exports may only share the same architecture (derived from the 3M10) and may not share the same design. We do not know for sure if the longer range Kalibr has a larger 650mm diameter or share the same 510mm diameter with the Klub. Russian subs have the larger 650mm torpedo tubes besides the 533mm NATO-like tubes. The Kalibr may also have a longer fuselage 8.1m versus the 6m on the Klub 3M-14E/TE. Both factors will allow the Kalibr to carry much more fuel for a longer range.<br />The 2500km range is applicable for those that are air launched at high altitude from bombers. From a ship, range will be less since there is no benefits from gliding.<br />The other difference is in the engine. The Klub has a gaz guzzler turbojet while the Kalibr is on a turbofan. A turbofan consumes on average ~3X less fuel than a turbojet for the same thrust, so if a Klub uses a turbofan its range will automatically exceeds MTCR by quite a bit. Micro turbofans and turbojects are quite similar in weight, volume and may even be a near drop in replacement.<br />Even the US Tomahawk is known to stray of course. No weapon has a 100% reliability, not even 90%. One example is known to have fallen in Pakistani hands which then was transferred to China, same with the black project stealth Blackhawk. So 4 out of 26 is 85% reliability, not too shabby.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-32815427895815905642015-10-09T12:44:16.019+11:002015-10-09T12:44:16.019+11:00Hi pete,
This may Interest you cause Indonesia is ...Hi pete,<br />This may Interest you cause Indonesia is looking to buy the Scorpene class Submarine<br /><br />Will Indonesia Buy French Stealth Submarines?<br />http://thediplomat.com/2015/10/will-indonesia-buy-french-stealth-submarines/<br /><br />I also think what were seeing is what was done 25 years ago. Remember Gulf war 1Nickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15318590507921043958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-30297076674497642322015-10-09T12:03:28.023+11:002015-10-09T12:03:28.023+11:00Hi Nicky
Seems that 4 of the Russian missiles cra...Hi Nicky<br /><br />Seems that 4 of the Russian missiles crashed in Iran http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34479873<br /><br />Iran has not yet detailed this disaster caused by Russia.<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-54711541339300506562015-10-09T01:50:49.523+11:002015-10-09T01:50:49.523+11:00Hi Pete,
You need to read this from CDR Salamander...Hi Pete,<br />You need to read this from CDR Salamander. His blog post is very interesting on the cruise missile.<br /><br />Russian Navy Breaks the Seal<br />http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2015/10/russian-navy-breaks-seal.html<br /><br />As for Chinese Nuclear submarines, I would put them on par with the 1970's era Soviet Nuclear submarines.Nickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15318590507921043958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-64932004624217959352015-10-08T19:32:08.490+11:002015-10-08T19:32:08.490+11:00Hi subdriver
Its true that the export versions, k...Hi subdriver<br /><br />Its true that the export versions, known as Klub-S, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3M-54_Klub#Klub-S<br /><br />are officially limited to 300km for MTCR. This is instead of 2,500 km for domestic Russian variants.<br /><br />However I think in the arms business there is much money for secret range extensions (eg. foreign technical advisers carrying out after sale service) whose efforts will only become apparent in wars - where treaty inspections are few. <br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-27850240137564998052015-10-08T19:20:14.972+11:002015-10-08T19:20:14.972+11:00Hi Nicky
I tried http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c7416a...Hi Nicky<br /><br />I tried http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c7416a04-68c0-11e5-a57f-21b88f7d973f.html#axzz3nkjiQM9Q but they just asked me for money to subscribe. They are not free like Submarine Matters :)<br /><br />"Why China's Nuclear Subs Are Subpar" <br />http://www.nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/why-chinas-nuclear-subs-are-subpar-14023 is very interesting - thanks. Fortunate the Chinese seem way behind in nuclear subs.<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />Pete<br /><br />Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-57442679653684664272015-10-08T19:05:29.901+11:002015-10-08T19:05:29.901+11:00The Klubs on the IN kilos are of less than 300 km ...The Klubs on the IN kilos are of less than 300 km range in accordance with the MTCR regime.subdriverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07358975709527829678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-41453424331672219682015-10-08T11:36:30.444+11:002015-10-08T11:36:30.444+11:00Hi Pete,
I thought you need to see this,
Foreign ...Hi Pete,<br />I thought you need to see this,<br /><br />Foreign bidders battle for A$50bn Australian submarine contract<br />Jamie Smyth in Adelaide<br />http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c7416a04-68c0-11e5-a57f-21b88f7d973f.html#axzz3nkjiQM9Q<br /><br />Why China's Nuclear Subs Are Subpar<br />http://www.nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/why-chinas-nuclear-subs-are-subpar-14023Nickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15318590507921043958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-57425708509130690402015-10-08T11:23:21.666+11:002015-10-08T11:23:21.666+11:00Hi Anonymous
Thanks for the details and insights....Hi Anonymous<br /><br />Thanks for the details and insights. <br /><br />At only 950 tons full load the Bauyan covettes certainly have a formidable missile and gun armament https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyan-class_corvette .<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-69326042589872610982015-10-08T06:54:58.062+11:002015-10-08T06:54:58.062+11:00The Bauyan M corvette does pack a mighty punch for...The Bauyan M corvette does pack a mighty punch for such a low tonnage. A large fleet of Bauyan using hit and run tactics within an EEZ can be problematic to a lot of naval fleets. The much larger Gepard only offers marginally better SAM but trades off a much larger radar signature insteadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com