tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post2464282048407752583..comments2024-03-29T11:12:54.229+11:00Comments on Submarine Matters & Australian Nuclear Weapons: Misleading advice to US Congress on Chinese Submarine Numbers?Pete2http://www.blogger.com/profile/06134037393078707072noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-85697270183712604632015-03-09T09:28:38.721+11:002015-03-09T09:28:38.721+11:00Hi Anonymous
Maybe true. Chinese people and their...Hi Anonymous<br /><br />Maybe true. Chinese people and their submarines should not be underestimated. But equally the PRC should not underestimate America and Japan.<br /><br />Japan and South Korea may produce nuclear propelled submarines and other nuclear devices one day.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-39727028043965883902015-03-08T22:43:42.995+11:002015-03-08T22:43:42.995+11:00Even if Chinese submarine technolgy is inferior to...Even if Chinese submarine technolgy is inferior to that of US, we shoud never underestimate China or Chinese people. They are really tough and brilliant, and make enormous efforts. In field of science and technology, Chinese people submit huge amount of articles including cutting- edge technologies, predicting their great success in future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-39565603012828868232015-03-04T17:48:29.657+11:002015-03-04T17:48:29.657+11:00Hi Vigilis
Yes there is a vast gulf in quality an...Hi Vigilis<br /><br />Yes there is a vast gulf in quality and also availability.<br /><br />Hard to measure quality but such measures like generation, displacement and crew size would be indicative.<br /><br />Within the US all nuclear sub service the average US attack sub would be 5th Generation nuclear Los Angeles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles-class_submarine. The US has paid the much higher price for nuclear subs for quality reasons.<br /><br />- 6,000 tons surfaced<br />- combined Blue/Gold crew size 2 x 130 = 260, giving it at least twice the availability of a one crew Chinese sub.<br /><br />The averagle Chinese attack sub is 2nd generation conventional Song Class http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_039_submarine sub. <br />- probably 2,000 tons surfaced, <br />- crew of 60. <br /><br />In terms of number of US attack subs this US Navy Fact File of Aug 2014 http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=4100&ct=4&tid=100 indicates:<br /><br />about 52<br /><br />- 3 Seawolf <br />- 41 Los Angeles (maybe 2 less since Aug?)<br />- 11 Virginias (including North Dakota commissioned Oct 2014)<br /><br />This is verses 57 Chinese attack subs but one could subtract some of the aging Hans and Mings which may well have been retired.<br /><br />A small number of Chinese would have gained experience on the two 2nd Generation Shang class SSNs. <br /><br />Some USN sailors may have experience on SSKs of US allies.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-21087921581207827762015-03-04T07:28:19.038+11:002015-03-04T07:28:19.038+11:00Hi Pete
Another intriguing post with abundant use ...Hi Pete<br />Another intriguing post with abundant use of facts.<br /><br />In defense of Vice Admiral Mulloy's telling a Senate hearing China now has more "attack submarines" than the U.S., I would like to clarify the underlying number of U.S. active subs. <br /><br />From 71 total active subs (if that is still accurate) 14 SSBNs and 4 SSGNs must be deductted. Moreover any recent additions to the eventual SSN recycling program must also be subtracted. <br /><br />The number of U.S. "attack subs" is currently closer to 49-50 depending upon actual decommissioning and deactivation dates, which events have rarely been reported publicly in a wide or timely fashion.<br /><br />However, I find fault in the admiral's testimony if he failed to mention the most glaring element of quality in China's submarine corps. Training deficiencies of China's nuclear submariners can only be overcome from sufficient experience and training of known mistakes. <br /><br />China is hardly on a par with U.S. submariners, none of whom ever had to serve one day on a simple diesel sub nor had the advantage of training based upon the experiences of dozens of now decommissioned and currently active SSNs. Right?<br /><br />Regards, <br /><br />VigilisVigilishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05051789616490005367noreply@blogger.com