tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post1008604997068071233..comments2024-03-29T23:07:34.242+11:00Comments on Submarine Matters & Australian Nuclear Weapons: Japan & US - No submarine building Unions? But the Most Efficient?Pete2http://www.blogger.com/profile/06134037393078707072noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-4424285897323309582017-05-07T14:09:16.434+10:002017-05-07T14:09:16.434+10:00A useful summary on the Soryu submarine on the US ...A useful summary on the Soryu submarine on the US "National Interest" website http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/why-china-fears-japans-super-stealth-soryu-class-submarines-20547<br /><br />I suspect the author reads Submarine Matters.<br /><br />With a large contribution from Anonymous Submarine Matters has the most detailed database, in English, on the Soryus.<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-26836489402837933822017-05-05T01:59:50.918+10:002017-05-05T01:59:50.918+10:00I see no evidence for the claim that the Japanese ...I see no evidence for the claim that the Japanese or U.S. shipyards are the most efficient.<br /><br />They sure fail to get anywhere near as many export orders through competitive tenders as the European (FRA, GER) ones. In fact, I do not remember any such orders from the post Cold War era.S Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03359796414832859686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-74219578518316726792017-04-26T11:39:18.700+10:002017-04-26T11:39:18.700+10:00Hi MHalblaub [at 25/4/17 11:13 PM]
Thanks. Very i...Hi MHalblaub [at 25/4/17 11:13 PM]<br /><br />Thanks. Very interesting sets of figures which place the numbers of German and French designed and built submarines higher than Japan but fewer than the US or Russia. How China rates is a question.<br /><br />I can use the figures as a basis to write an article/snapshot per country/submarine designer/builder per week - starting with Asia-Pacific countries since the early 1970s - US, Russia (borders the Pacific), China, South Korea, North Korea, Japan, Australia. Some countries for distribution to donors only.<br /><br />Such patterns as batch building vs continuous build, own market and/or foreign markets, "orphan subs" vs broader production. Popular perceptions that the subs and builds were a success or failure.<br /><br />So many aspects.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-50848486522508643162017-04-26T10:48:25.589+10:002017-04-26T10:48:25.589+10:00Hi Pete
Uniquenss of J-submarine is continual imp...Hi Pete<br /><br />Uniquenss of J-submarine is continual improvement by frequent model change as many as 13 times [1]. Also, in the same class, every batch has slightly improved than former batch. For example, under building batch of Soryu MKI, SS-510 is better than first batch, SS-501.<br /><br />[1] Simple list of Japanese submarine<br />Kuroshio(SS-501,USS Mingo lending from USA), Oyashio I (SS-511), Hayashio-class (SS-521,522), Natsushio-class(SS-523,524), Oshio (SS-561), Asashio-class (SS-562, 563, 564, 565), Uzushio-class (SS-566~572), Yshio-class(SS-573~582), Harushio-class(SS-582~589), Oyshio II-class (SS590~600), Soryu-class MKI (SS-501~510), Soryu-class MKII (SS-511,512, under building), 29SS (under building), Asahio modification by AIP.<br /><br />Regard<br />S<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-28513754688686241352017-04-25T23:45:53.388+10:002017-04-25T23:45:53.388+10:00Thanks S [at 25/4/17 9:24 PM]
I've added your...Thanks S [at 25/4/17 9:24 PM]<br /><br />I've added your info to the article.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-47966011104451242017-04-25T23:13:58.294+10:002017-04-25T23:13:58.294+10:00Some figures
Since the Uzushio-class (1968) Japan...Some figures<br /><br />Since the Uzushio-class (1968) Japan did built about 44 submarines until today. <br />The US did built 62 Los Angeles, 3 Seawolf, 13 Virginia and 18 Ohio. In sum around 95 submarines since 1970. <br />France built or supported 13 Agosta, 4 Scorpène, 6 Redoutable, 4 Triomphant, 6 Rubis (25 Daphné were built until 1973). About 33 submarines since 1973 for France. No Suffren/Barracuda is finished yet. <br />Germany supported the build of 61 Type 209, 6 Type 210, 10 Type 212A, 13 Type 214 and 5 Dolphin. About 95 submarines since 1970. I excluded the older Type 205/206 built until 1975. <br /><br />I counted only already finished submarines (independent commissioned or not). <br /><br />Of the 33 French submarines 13 were exports. 8 more Scorpène and 6 Suffren/Barracuda are expected. <br />Germany exported all submarines except 6. On order are 3 more Type 209 for Egypt and several Type 214, one Dolphin and 2 Type 212 for Germany. <br /><br /><br />It is hard to compare efficiency for costume build export submarines by France and Germany with local projects in the US or Japan. <br /><br />I guess that most of French and German workers are unionized. <br /><br />Regards,<br />MHalblaubMHalblaubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14234020711635190127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-85863363415899463362017-04-25T21:24:08.039+10:002017-04-25T21:24:08.039+10:00
Hi Pete
There are two worker’s unions (KHI worke...<br />Hi Pete<br /><br />There are two worker’s unions (KHI worker’s union, Federation of worker’s union of KHI group companies) in KHI. The former consists of 9 branches, and workers of KHI Kobe Plant belong to KHI Kobe branch.<br /><br />Information on Workers’s union of MHI is not clear. Workers of MHI Kobe Factory belongs to MHI Kobe shipbuilding branch.<br /><br />Both workers’s unions of KHI and MHI belong to Japanese Federation of Basic Industry Worker’s Union (JBU) [1].<br /><br /> [1] JBU is industrial union and consists of 400 woker’с unions and 251965 people (wiki/JPN).<br /><br />Regards<br />S<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-88020578385381735932017-04-25T18:34:38.392+10:002017-04-25T18:34:38.392+10:00Hi Ztev
Thanks for the details.
I'll integra...Hi Ztev<br /><br />Thanks for the details.<br /><br />I'll integrate them in the article text.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-63044924713015796612017-04-25T15:12:43.442+10:002017-04-25T15:12:43.442+10:00Thanks S
I'll note "All Japan Shippuldin...Thanks S<br /><br />I'll note "All Japan Shippulding and Engineering Union dissolved in September/9/2016" in the text.<br /><br />So are there any Mitsubishi or Kawasaki shipbuilding workers (or white-collar designers) who are in Japanese unions?<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PetePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624742078679760819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-7218783334937565102017-04-25T08:12:00.190+10:002017-04-25T08:12:00.190+10:00Wipedia adds some depth to the story of Zenzosen
&...Wipedia adds some depth to the story of Zenzosen<br />"Zenzōsen is a federation of individual, enterprise-level unions - the normal model of trades unionism in Japan. It was initially the dominant union in the Japanese shipbuilding industry, but was eventually eclipsed by the Jūki Rōren (Japanese Federation of Shipbuilding and Engineering Workers' Unions). Zenzōsen was the more militant of the two unions, and was more strongly represented at the smaller shipyards. Zenzōsen was affiliated to the Japanese Socialist Party."<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenz%C5%8Dsen<br />Pete was on the right track with likely company unions dominating the sub shipyards. Ztev Konradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06553128132098513643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19245896.post-26418701882734240412017-04-25T00:58:34.452+10:002017-04-25T00:58:34.452+10:00
Hi Pete
All Japan Shippulding and Engineering Un...<br />Hi Pete<br /><br />All Japan Shippulding and Engineering Union dissolved in September/9/2016.<br /><br />Regards<br />S<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com