November 20, 2017

Submarine Propulsion Table - 1st Attempt

Using much of Anonymous's input of November 19, 2017 and many websites I've put together the 1st Attempt at a Submarine Propusion Table.

Note that I have avoided detail of actual power outputs of diesels, motors and AIP because such output figures are variable and often disagree. Working out precise, official and universal power outputs would take forever - or maybe for the time being...

Much emphasis is on submarine propulsion of competitors to Western countries. Those competitors being mainly North Korea, China, Russia and maybe Iran.

There is much to change, correct and add to the Table, of course. Nuclear submarine propulsion needs adding.

If the text in the Table looks a bit small (and you have WORD 7 or more modern) just simultaneously press Ctrl and + to enlarge the text. Press Ctrl and - to shrink the screen back to its usual size.

So here is the 1st Attempt

Submarine Propulsion Table (as at November 22, 2017)

Country/
Company
Type/
Details
Diesel engine
Motor, AIP (if fitted)
Alternatives
North Korea
Golf /
1 to 3 E390ZC-1? Russian Golf class given to NK with 3 × diesels originally
MTU 16V396SE84 or MAN SEMT Pielstick ?
China
Ming class, Type 033
1 x E390ZC-1
MTU 16V396SE84 or MAN SEMT Pielstick ?
China
Song class (Type 039) & Yuan class (Type 039A or 41)
Likely use 2 to 4 x MTU 16V396SE84 or 12 cylinder  MAN 12PA4V200SMDS page 6
16V diesel built by Yuchai Group see sources  A and B or MTU derivative likely, given China now has a MTU 4000 factory
Russia
Kilo class
2 to 4 1DL42 (ChN 30/38) last sentence& see whole document
Likely to use 2 to 4 x MTU 16V396SE84 ?
Russia
Lada/Amur class, just 1 testbed
AIP being developed
Iran
Kilo class
2 to 4 1DL42 (ChN 30/38) last sentence& see whole document
India
Kilo class
2 to 4 1DL42 (ChN 30/38) last sentence& see whole document
Germany
TKMS
Type 212A
1998-still building
1  MTU 16V396SE84, PEM AIP
Siemens Permasyn youtube & last page ,AIP
MTU 12V4000U83 ?
Germany
TKMS
Type 209, 214, 218, Dolphin, TR-1700,
1971 – still being built
Siemens Permasyn last page AIP
MTU 12V4000U83 ?
Italy/
4 so far
1 or 2 MTU 16V 396,  
Siemens Permasyn last page AIP
France,
Naval Group (DCNS)
Scorpene for Chile, Malaysia, India, Brazil
2000 – still being built
Japan
Oyashio class
Japan
Soryu class
AIP
Sweden
Gotland class
2 × MTU 16V396SE84
Stirling/Sterling AIP
Sweden
Stirling/Sterling AIP
Australia
3 × Jeumont-Schneider, no AIP
Australia
Shortfin future class "12" but likely 6
See Rex Patrick’s APDR, Siemen’s Oct 2015 article likely 4 to 6 MTU or MAN diesels
no AIP?

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hi Pete,
Wikipedia says the Swedish Gotland class is powered by MTU diesels, not Hedemora.
Regards: FMate

Anonymous said...

Hi Pete

Propulsion uses of SEMT-Pielstick PA4s for SSK are 12PA4V200SM for Walrus class, 6PA4V185VG for Agosta class 1and 12PA4V185 for Daphine class. PA4s are adopted in French SSN or SSBN for emergency use [1-3].

Sorpenes for Chile equips with 4 x MTU and other Sorpenes equip with 4 x 12PA4V200SMDS.

[1] https://www.forecastinternational.com/archive/disp_old_pdf.cfm?ARC_ID=1802
(ARCHIVED REPORT, Diesels - Archived 12/2000, December 1999) page 3 
The PA range of high-speed engines is suited for submarine applications, having been optimized for snorkeling mode operation. ---The PA range includes the following types: PA4-185, PA4-200.--- According to the manufacturer, a total of 180 of these types are at use on 92 submarines in France, the Netherlands, Pakistan, Portugal, South Africa, Spain and Sweden.

[2] ibid page 4
The Walrus class submarines, now in service with the Royal Netherlands Navy, are powered by a diesel electric propulsion system comprising three generating sets, each powered by a 12PA4V200SM set developing 960 kW.

Wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walrus-class_submarine) describes propulsion of three diesel-electric being 5,430 shp (4 MW. But, according to MAN ( http://www.marine.man.eu/docs/default-source/shopwaredocuments/pa4-sm-smdsfba3ca1740b144429518d4e002fd7d6f.pdf?sfvrsn=3 page 6), this is mechanical output, not electrical output (3.15 MW = 1050kW x3 for 12PA4VSMDS).

[3] ibid page 6-7
8PA4 V200 (four units on two le Triomphant class ballistic missile submarin 6es, with two more to be launched); 8PA4 V185 SM (six units on three l’Inflexible class SSBN,six units on six Rubis Amethyste class SSN); 16PA4 V185 VG (six on three Agosta class SSK); 12PA1 (four units on two Daphné class SSK); 12PA4 V185 (four units on two other Daphné class SSK);


Regards

Peter Coates said...

Hi Anonymous [at 21/11/17 7:18 PM]

Yep, you're right. Swedish Wikipedia https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Gotland_(Gtd) confirms the Gotlands have "2 st dieselmotorer, MTU 396". I've changed the text accordingly.

Here are the details for Hedemora Diesel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedemora_Diesel now taken over by an Australian company. This is on account of the Collins still using Hedemoras - choice of Hedemora's being the Collins' main continuing defect.

Regards

Pete

Peter Coates said...

Hi Anonymous [at 22/11/17 12:54 AM]

Creating confusion is from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEMT_Pielstick indicating :

SEMT Pielstick has been renamed MAN DIESEL & TURBO since 2010 - with SEMT Pielstick trading under the name "MAN DIESEL SA"

I will place your details in Submarine Propulsion Table - 2nd Attempt set for Friday 24 Nov 2017 (assuming San Juan has not yet been found).

Regards

Pete